[Youngbp04]

Had my vorshlag camber plates put on along with apex 17x9.5" arc-8 and with 255/40 nitto r compound all the way around with 5mm spacers up front. I have no rubbing so far.

Install seems to have gone mostly smoothly and cost around $580 with alignment (seemed a little high but oh well). Vorshlag sent the wrong perches even though I order the oem perches, they overnights the correct ones for Saturday delivery. I am very happy with their customer service.

My question is, I expected there to be more negative camber adjustment than there was. Up front they told me they could only get to -2.2 on the front left and -1.8 on the front right (L .03 and R .05 toe). I thought they would be able to dial up much more negative camber for the front on m-sport suspension. Also find it odd that it is different by .4 degrees. What do you all think? Also, what about the toe? Is that where you would suggest it? This car will be tracked a lot and DD. I am going to get m3 control arms, should increase my camber by -.75 correct?

The rear is at L -1.8 degrees and R -1.3 degrees. Should these be closer together or is this fine? Toe is at L .09 and R .12

I am by no means a suspension geometry expert.

Thanks!

[TurboBimmer]

-2.2 sounds right without M3 control arms. I have -3 which is the maximum as the strut opening is the limiting factor and doesn't allow to move the damper top nut further.

The difference you have between right and left is strange though. Rear should also be closer.

[GreekboyD]

I find it very odd that they can't dial up equal front camber angles after your Vorshlag camber plates were installed.

[Youngbp04]

I checked and it looks like both the plates are maxed out. Their explanation was that there are variances from the factory. To me that sounds a little odd given that the camber plates remove any factory camber adjustments. That is the purpose of them.

What could be causing this?

Originally they called me telling me they bent a spring compressing it to put it in. Then called me back saying that they hadnt and that it was because vorshlag sent the wrong perch and was making it look like it was bent. They said everything was fine and that it wasnt bent at all, but now that has me wondering.

Not sure what a spring would have to do with camber adj though

[jetbill]

I can get 2.8 with the same setup. Lowered half inch.

[Youngbp04]

Originally Posted by jetbill

I can get 2.8 with the same setup. Lowered half inch.

Lowered on what?

[asian010]

how low is the car? im trying to do the same with similar spec wheels

[335iSSA]

Did they put the plates on the correct side? To my recollection there is a right and a left plate and if on the wrong side you won't be able to get max camber.

[cleex024]

maybe check to see if the alignment shop had their machine calibrated recently...their machine could be off

[jetbill]

Originally Posted by Youngbp04

Lowered on what?

Ohlins R&T. With the M3 front suspension components I just installed I can now get 3.5 degrees (I mostly just AutoX)

[Youngbp04]

Originally Posted by 335iSSA

Did they put the plates on the correct side? To my recollection there is a right and a left plate and if on the wrong side you won't be able to get max camber.

This could be a possibility. Is there a way I can tell what side is the left side vs right side, while it is installed on the car?

Thanks again guys for all your help!

BPY

[swifty]

I went through similar issues with my vorshlag and tcklines cuz shops said this is the best they could do but I couldn't understand why there was a massive difference between one side and the other. Some said I must've hit some thing etc.

Finally went to a proper race shop and got the setup right. May take a little more than an hour or two to get it right the first time when you are working with both plates and coils.

Good luck.

[neoduffer]

Did you get a Thrust value to go with your Toe settings? This will indicate if the combined left and right toe settings are pointing straight or inline with the vehicle centerline.

I think the camber left and right should be closer. On the order of ±0.2°, if possible. I'd prefer dead on if it were my car.

[Youngbp04]

Originally Posted by neoduffer

Did you get a Thrust value to go with your Toe settings? This will indicate if the combined left and right toe settings are pointing straight or inline with the vehicle centerline.

I think the camber left and right should be closer. On the order of ±0.2°, if possible. I'd prefer dead on if it were my car.

My thrust angle is -.01 degrees and steer ahead is -.01 degrees.

It took 5 hours to get the install done $550 or so plus alignment. I am thinking i will have to take it back and get it redone. I am getting control arms and coils so probably wait until then unless it is something that needs to be addressed asap.

Any way to tell if they are installed on the proper side. ie left plate is on the left

[modernbeat]

Originally Posted by Youngbp04

...Any way to tell if they are installed on the proper side. ie left plate is on the left

I can't find a good photo of it in our gallery, but the E36/E90 plates are engraved with the Vorshlag logo, the application (E36/E90), and the position. The position should look like "LF" and arrow and "F". The "LF" means Left Front from the driver's perspective and the "arrow F" points toward the front of the car.

I'll get a phone pic and link it.

[modernbeat]

Pic of the markings on an E36/E90 camber plate. These should be visible through the top of the strut tower.

[Chrisred]

Have -2.5 camber up front matched on both sides. Drop is about 3/4" from fender to top of tire. I believe it's 5" from ground to front side rocker panel. It's an xi btw. On TC Klines. But my toe is zero as xi needs less toe. Either way if u gonna lap just loosen strut bolts and jack both sides up and add more camber.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by modernbeat

Pic of the markings on an E36/E90 camber plate. These should be visible through the top of the strut tower.

Is the front of the car at the bottom of the picture?

[335iSSA]

Originally Posted by justpete

Is the front of the car at the bottom of the picture?

Yes, the arrow points toward the front of the car.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by 335iSSA

Yes, the arrow points toward the front of the car.

Sorry, now I'm confused. If the arrow points at the front of the car then it'd be at the top of the picture instead of the bottom.

Reason I ask is the arrow "points" toward the back of the car in mine and the strut is up against the front of the groove for caster adjustment. That is, the caster can be adjusted more positive than it is now.

The alignment numbers are all right though both for street and track but I swear they're in backwards....

[335iSSA]

Originally Posted by justpete

Sorry, now I'm confused. If the arrow points at the front of the car then it'd be at the top of the picture instead of the bottom.

Reason I ask is the arrow "points" toward the back of the car in mine and the strut is up against the front of the groove for caster adjustment. That is, the caster can be adjusted more positive than it is now.

The alignment numbers are all right though both for street and track but I swear they're in backwards....

I don't see how you can say the above in bold. The picture is too close to make that statement.

Jason works at Vorshlag so I'd take his word for it. I have Vorshlag plates on my Mustang and they are marked the same way and I can tell you the markings are toward the front of the car with the arrow pointing toward the front.

I also put them on the wrong side b/c I put them on from the perspective of looking at the driver, which is why I know that when you put them on the wrong side you don't get the camber you are looking for as they maxed out about the middle of the strut tower opening.

As to your situation I don't see how you could have them in with the arrow facing backwards, given the three point mounting they would have to point away from the centerline of the car and the adjustment would be not perpendicular to the centerline of the car.

[GreekboyD]

Damn so that's Jason? He's helping me with my current dilemma of Vorshlag plates not fitting my KW V3s properly.

Great help from him on the matter.