what do you like better and why

cmotzner · 06-25-2014, 11:12 AM

Looking to put a tune on my 335i and cant decide between the procede v3 and JB4.

What would your choice be and why?

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 06-25-2014, 11:15 AM

JB4. They are readily available, nearly half the price, function very similar. This is coming from someone who used a PRocede. There is no problem with the PROcede but in this day and age with tuning there is no reason to spend extra plus the JB4 is very supported still.

GetSomeE92 · 06-25-2014, 11:18 AM

JB4 is still supported. /Thread

TotalBlackout · 06-25-2014, 04:37 PM

Yup, jb4 is doing everything and more for way cheaper and new software/hardware upgrades still in development.

4doorbmwpower · 06-25-2014, 05:14 PM

JB4.. I have been with them since JB3 and watched the race between Shiv and Terry and i will say that everytime Vishnu came out with something new it cost A LOT and then Terry would release a better smoother easier version of it for FREE or a small fee. Example OFT.. oh wait Terry has flash software available for free.. not 500 dollars. and The JB4 is powering some of the fastest cars around. my vote JB4

4doorbmwpower · 06-25-2014, 05:16 PM

wow no one for Proceed... surprising. (not)

335NJ · 06-25-2014, 05:49 PM

Looking at the two, they look identical. I understand a piggy-back system is what it is, but it looks like the only difference is wire color, and module design. Based on what i've read, they perform the same as well.

Are there any true differences? That might be a loaded question, but i'm genuinely curious if there's a reason someone should spend the extra dough on a PROcede unit.

CHECKERED · 06-25-2014, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shafer

Looking at the two, they look identical. I understand a piggy-back system is what it is, but it looks like the only difference is wire color, and module design. Based on what i've read, they perform the same as well.

Are there any true differences? That might be a loaded question, but i'm genuinely curious if there's a reason someone should spend the extra dough on a PROcede unit.

Performance and features are every similar between the two back when JB4 had a G4 board.

PROcede = JB4 G4 board
PROcede < JB4 G5 ISO Board
PROcede w/$500 flash <<< JB4 G5 ISO w/ free flash (maybe $178 for cable)

brewnami · 06-25-2014, 08:05 PM

Every car I've seen on stock frame turbos putting down record setting power and 1/4 mile times has been with JB4. I've installed it on two of my 335i's and I've never considered a different tune. Plus the price difference is stupid

335NJ · 06-25-2014, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CHECKERED

Performance and features are every similar between the two back when JB4 had a G4 board.

PROcede = JB4 G4 board
PROcede < JB4 G5 ISO Board
PROcede w/$500 flash <<< JB4 G5 ISO w/ free flash (maybe $178 for cable)

Thank's for clarifying. The flash your speaking of, is this the Backend Flash (BMS)?

froop · 06-25-2014, 08:19 PM

I have a Procede Rev 3 running meth on my E82 and I really like it. Perfect for my needs and puts down great power (I got 120mph trap speeds on stock turbos). I also like the user tuning interface.

That said I have a JB4 on the girlfriends 135i and I really like the map 5 for set and forget with E85 mixes. The in dash controls are great as well, like being able to read codes etc.

In regards to support, yes vishnu are pretty much non existent on these forums these days but they do reply to my emails relatively quickly if I ever have any questions, regardless of if I was the initial purchaser or not. Terry refused to answer my questions via email for the JB4 as I bought the unit second hand. You can also probably pick up a second hand Procede unit pretty cheap since no one really wants them lol. If buying new though there will be a big difference in price.

It's hard to argue against the JB4 though being cheaper, having more features and making the same power.

Ingeniator · 06-25-2014, 08:46 PM

I personally plan on running the procede on my race car if I endup needing a piggy back. I like the JB4 but the procede tuning is a lot more refined. Also with guys like 3000GT_MR shiv's support isn't really needed. I like my JB4 but it is a generic mass market option. Also the supposed JB4 is best mantra is crap. A lot of the current big horsepower cars have switched to Cobb. @07Tundra switched to procede.

07tundra · 06-25-2014, 09:18 PM

I wldnt call it crap..... C'mon now. I do like the proceed a bit better and yes you are correct Chris 300gt is awesome. My car runs awesome!

brewnami · 06-25-2014, 10:00 PM

Just because more people run JB4 doesn't mean it's generic mass market crap. For 99% of people just wanting to make their 335i faster, it's a way better option. If there are folks running power house 335s on Procede or Cobb, those are not set and forget cars anyways.

More people buy JB4 because it's a lot cheaper, still supported and Terry provides great customer support. JB4 makes more power than other tunes and Procede is the only one that comes close in preloaded maps, but is a lot more money.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ingeniator

I personally plan on running the procede on my race car if I endup needing a piggy back. I like the JB4 but the procede tuning is a lot more refined. Also with guys like 3000GT_MR shiv's support isn't really needed. I like my JB4 but it is a generic mass market option. Also the supposed JB4 is best mantra is crap. A lot of the current big horsepower cars have switched to Cobb. @07Tundra switched to procede.

7smurfs · 06-25-2014, 10:50 PM

JB4 current and excellent support is what won me over.

If you ever have an issue or request, simply post on n54tech and you get a response from the BMS team within a day!

firemanjust1 · 06-25-2014, 11:11 PM

jb4 g5 ftw and still has support and constant updates as well as pushing the platform forward w e85 and now single turbo tuning ....either that or get a cobb protune !

Ingeniator · 06-26-2014, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 07tundra

I wldnt call it crap..... C'mon now. I do like the proceed a bit better and yes you are correct Chris 300gt is awesome. My car runs awesome!

Quote:

Originally Posted by brewnami

Just because more people run JB4 doesn't mean it's generic mass market crap. For 99% of people just wanting to make their 335i faster, it's a way better option. If there are folks running power house 335s on Procede or Cobb, those are not set and forget cars anyways.

More people buy JB4 because it's a lot cheaper, still supported and Terry provides great customer support. JB4 makes more power than other tunes and Procede is the only one that comes close in preloaded maps, but is a lot more money.

Wasn't calling the JB4 crap just the hating that everyone that uses it does on other options. As you can see from my sig I run a JB4 on my DD and I think it is great for that.

07tundra · 06-26-2014, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ingeniator

Wasn't calling the JB4 crap just the hating that everyone that uses it does on other options. As you can see from my sig I run a JB4 on my DD and I think it is great for that.

Roger that! I used it for a while ever since I bought the car

07tundra · 06-26-2014, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7smurfs

JB4 current and excellent support is what won me over.

If you ever have an issue or request, simply post on n54tech and you get a response from the BMS team within a day!

Yes you can't beat that with stick as it should be!

07tundra · 06-26-2014, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brewnami

Just because more people run JB4 doesn't mean it's generic mass market crap. For 99% of people just wanting to make their 335i faster, it's a way better option. If there are folks running power house 335s on Procede or Cobb, those are not set and forget cars anyways.

More people buy JB4 because it's a lot cheaper, still supported and Terry provides great customer support. JB4 makes more power than other tunes and Procede is the only one that comes close in preloaded maps, but is a lot more money.

You shouldnt be setting and forgetting any tune regardless on how generic or custom it is. You should always log

pwr hungry · 06-26-2014, 06:00 AM

The procede unit is actually a superior piece of hardware and has the capability of controlling a lot more than the jb units. BMS has far superior customer service though. So, it really depends on what you want. If you want a better and more robust tuning solution, go process and contact wedge for tuning. If you want to be able to get a hold of the company easily and get fast responses with great CS, go JB4.

135Pats · 06-26-2014, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 07tundra

You shouldnt be setting and forgetting any tune regardless on how generic or custom it is. You should always log

True that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwr hungry

The procede unit is actually a superior piece of hardware and has the capability of controlling a lot more than the jb units. BMS has far superior customer service though. So, it really depends on what you want. If you want a better and more robust tuning solution, go process and contact wedge for tuning. If you want to be able to get a hold of the company easily and get fast responses with great CS, go JB4.

Double true. Well put.

06-25-2014, 11:12 AM	#1
cmotzner Enlisted Member 4 Rep 33 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Boynton Beach, FL iTrader: (0)	what do you like better and why Looking to put a tune on my 335i and cant decide between the procede v3 and JB4. What would your choice be and why?
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06-25-2014, 11:15 AM	#2
Jeff@TopGearSolutions 3441 Rep 79,212 Posts Drives: C6 Z06, 09 335i, 10 335xi Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: www.TopGearSolutions.com iTrader: (37)	JB4. They are readily available, nearly half the price, function very similar. This is coming from someone who used a PRocede. There is no problem with the PROcede but in this day and age with tuning there is no reason to spend extra plus the JB4 is very supported still.
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06-25-2014, 11:18 AM	#3
GetSomeE92 Major 36 Rep 1,176 Posts Drives: '09 Space Gray E92 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Miami, FL iTrader: (7)	JB4 is still supported. /Thread __________________ 335i Coupe, JB4 (G4, map 5) DCI and 40% E85 blend: 2009 BMW 335i Coupe: 12.173 @ 109.490 MPH
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TotalBlackout Private First Class 5 Rep 150 Posts Drives: 2008 TiAg 335i Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: KY iTrader: (1)	Yup, jb4 is doing everything and more for way cheaper and new software/hardware upgrades still in development. __________________ 2008 335i Coupe TiAg - Cold Weather - Premium - Sport - Style 230 19's - SatNav - Active Steering/Cruise - Comfort Access - PDC
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4doorbmwpower Captain 62 Rep 954 Posts Drives: Montego Blue E90 335i Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina iTrader: (3)	JB4.. I have been with them since JB3 and watched the race between Shiv and Terry and i will say that everytime Vishnu came out with something new it cost A LOT and then Terry would release a better smoother easier version of it for FREE or a small fee. Example OFT.. oh wait Terry has flash software available for free.. not 500 dollars. and The JB4 is powering some of the fastest cars around. my vote JB4 __________________ cp-e GTX3071R TT kit, cp-e quad exhaust, cp-e fuelbar, Stage 3 LPFP+lines, AEM EFI, Custom Meth kit, Apex EC7 18s w/R888 295s, Stoptech, M3 front, m-sport rear, cp-e difuser, Custom Headlights, CFS Radiator, Custom OC, 1000hp Lvl10 trans, DSS Axles, MFactory LSD, DEFIV lockdown kit, M3 refresh kit, KWv2's, cp-e project "4doorbmwpower"
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4doorbmwpower Captain 62 Rep 954 Posts Drives: Montego Blue E90 335i Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina iTrader: (3)	wow no one for Proceed... surprising. (not) __________________ cp-e GTX3071R TT kit, cp-e quad exhaust, cp-e fuelbar, Stage 3 LPFP+lines, AEM EFI, Custom Meth kit, Apex EC7 18s w/R888 295s, Stoptech, M3 front, m-sport rear, cp-e difuser, Custom Headlights, CFS Radiator, Custom OC, 1000hp Lvl10 trans, DSS Axles, MFactory LSD, DEFIV lockdown kit, M3 refresh kit, KWv2's, cp-e project "4doorbmwpower"
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06-25-2014, 05:49 PM	#7
335NJ Colonel 533 Rep 2,872 Posts Drives: 2008 335i 6MT E90 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: NJ/Philadelphia Suburbs iTrader: (1)	Looking at the two, they look identical. I understand a piggy-back system is what it is, but it looks like the only difference is wire color, and module design. Based on what i've read, they perform the same as well. Are there any true differences? That might be a loaded question, but i'm genuinely curious if there's a reason someone should spend the extra dough on a PROcede unit. __________________ *BSM E90 6MT*-JB4 G5 ISO-BMS DCI-Golf-Tee Mod-Hankook S1N2 Non-RFT-ER Chargepipe/TiAL BOV-E40 blend-VRSF V2's-M3 CDV-MHD/JB4 FLASH-VRSF 5" STEPPED FMIC
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06-25-2014, 08:05 PM	#9
brewnami Major 100 Rep 1,040 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 335i M Sport Coupe Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Boston, MA iTrader: (5)	Every car I've seen on stock frame turbos putting down record setting power and 1/4 mile times has been with JB4. I've installed it on two of my 335i's and I've never considered a different tune. Plus the price difference is stupid __________________ 2009 335i M Sport coupe, BSM with black/aluminum interior, 6MT, JB4 G5, MDH Backend Flash, Walbro 255 inline LPFP, VRSF Inlets, BMS 3" catless DP's, Borla Aggressive catback, ER FMIC, ER charge pipe, Tial BOV, BMS 2.3 gal Meth Kit, BMS Sport Oil Cooler Valve, Ported CDV, RB PCV, Cyba ram air scoops, Status Gruppe SRS coilovers, ECS trailing arms, Forgestar F14 SDC.
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06-25-2014, 08:19 PM	#11
froop Colonel 171 Rep 2,682 Posts Drives: 08 AW 6MT E82 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Sydney, Australia iTrader: (3)	I have a Procede Rev 3 running meth on my E82 and I really like it. Perfect for my needs and puts down great power (I got 120mph trap speeds on stock turbos). I also like the user tuning interface. That said I have a JB4 on the girlfriends 135i and I really like the map 5 for set and forget with E85 mixes. The in dash controls are great as well, like being able to read codes etc. In regards to support, yes vishnu are pretty much non existent on these forums these days but they do reply to my emails relatively quickly if I ever have any questions, regardless of if I was the initial purchaser or not. Terry refused to answer my questions via email for the JB4 as I bought the unit second hand. You can also probably pick up a second hand Procede unit pretty cheap since no one really wants them lol. If buying new though there will be a big difference in price. It's hard to argue against the JB4 though being cheaper, having more features and making the same power. __________________ froop's AW 135i Build Thread
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06-25-2014, 08:46 PM	#12
Ingeniator Major 34 Rep 1,093 Posts Drives: 07 335XI(90) 09 135I(82) Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Fort Mac, Alberta iTrader: (1)	I personally plan on running the procede on my race car if I endup needing a piggy back. I like the JB4 but the procede tuning is a lot more refined. Also with guys like 3000GT_MR shiv's support isn't really needed. I like my JB4 but it is a generic mass market option. Also the supposed JB4 is best mantra is crap. A lot of the current big horsepower cars have switched to Cobb. @07Tundra switched to procede. __________________ 07 335XI (A008006) 6AT ~94K miles JB4 G5 ISO VSRF DP's 09 135I M (VK80379) 6MT. Race Project car. 1) Install Cobb/piggyback? and Motiv 600 Kit[HTA3076R w/ tial .82] 2) JRZ or Moton suspension. 3) Build high flow intake manifold with multi-port fuel and relocate OFH 4) Build full cage 5) Complete staged twin setup with HTA4205R [w/Tial 1.16] 6) Complete dry sump system
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06-25-2014, 09:18 PM	#13
07tundra Lieutenant Colonel 119 Rep 1,525 Posts Drives: 8.1L Chevy 2500hd Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New Mexico iTrader: (9)	I wldnt call it crap..... C'mon now. I do like the proceed a bit better and yes you are correct Chris 300gt is awesome. My car runs awesome! __________________ 2008 335i FFTEC ST 6266,), Boostbox, VRSF 3.5 exhaust, mtech front and rear, KWVll, APEX 18x9.0, 18x12= 305/35/18 NTO1s, BMS OCC, Rb PVC, M3 tri-color stitched S-wheel,MT SWAPPED, M3 LSD diff 2008 135i mods coming soon!
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06-25-2014, 10:50 PM	#15
7smurfs Captain 137 Rep 902 Posts Drives: M3 CS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Melbourne iTrader: (0)	JB4 current and excellent support is what won me over. If you ever have an issue or request, simply post on n54tech and you get a response from the BMS team within a day!
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06-25-2014, 11:11 PM	#16
firemanjust1 Second Lieutenant 32 Rep 208 Posts Drives: Audi S3/03 350z Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: buffalo ny iTrader: (0)	jb4 g5 ftw and still has support and constant updates as well as pushing the platform forward w e85 and now single turbo tuning ....either that or get a cobb protune !
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06-26-2014, 06:00 AM	#21
pwr hungry Banned 40 Rep 1,257 Posts Drives: 335 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Amer'ca iTrader: (2)	The procede unit is actually a superior piece of hardware and has the capability of controlling a lot more than the jb units. BMS has far superior customer service though. So, it really depends on what you want. If you want a better and more robust tuning solution, go process and contact wedge for tuning. If you want to be able to get a hold of the company easily and get fast responses with great CS, go JB4.
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