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02-13-2013, 03:54 PM | #111 |
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Traffic is a misery no matter if you have AUTO or MANUAL. I've been driving manual cars for many years now and traffic is not really a problem. Sure sometimes automatic is nice, but most of the time its not.
I suppose some of you are in daily traffic 2-3 or maybe even 4 hours per day....I feel sorry for you even with automatic tranny. I thank God everyday that my current job is opposite way from all traffic jams I am sure my car is thankful too ! |
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02-13-2013, 05:34 PM | #112 |
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I think the feel of a clutch makes a huge difference. I drive with the tiptronic, but its just not the same at all...
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02-13-2013, 07:39 PM | #113 |
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Traffic is a non issue here. This about MT vs AT and which fee,s better. I doubt any of us would want a AT for the engaged driving feeling.
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02-14-2013, 09:18 PM | #114 |
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Car magazines and BMW testers are going to use different testing methods. But why would BMW use testing methods that favor one transmission over another? They are going to test all the cars under the same conditions and using the same testing methods.
I know Road & Track tries different methods to see which one gets the best acceleration time. In their E90 335i test, they said dropping the clutch at 4500 rpm got the best times. It's important to check to see if magazine test numbers state the altitude and temperature that the test wast conducted at. Road & Track does that. Not sure about the other magazines. From my experience of my old car-magazine-reading days, Car and Driver tends to get the fastest times: Car and Driver: 2007 E92 335i 6MT: 0-60: 4.9 5-60: 5.6 "street start" 1/4mi: 13.6 @ 105 mph 50-70 mph in 6th gear: 6.0 Road & Track: 2007 E90 335i 6MT: 0-60: 5.0 1/4mi: 13.5 @ 104.5 mph Location: Irvine, CA Temp: 84ºF Humidity: 15% Elevation: 350 ft Both magazines tested the 335i faster than BMW's numbers. I'll see what other numbers I turn up, including some 6AT numbers.
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02-14-2013, 09:31 PM | #115 |
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My knees are definitely pro-auto box...I haven't regretted buying the auto until just today, in fact, when I got a $900 quote from my shop to do a 60K mile auto transmission service!
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02-14-2013, 11:16 PM | #116 | |
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I did my 6MT oil at 50k (bought the car with 43k). Next change will be at 80k. Didn't DIY because my garage is too small to jack up the E92 level to do the job. I did do my own differential fluid change. $900.- is steep, but a replacement transmission will be 5-10x the cost. Maybe you can get away without doing the full flush now (do the partial), and do full flush at 100k.
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02-14-2013, 11:28 PM | #117 | |
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02-15-2013, 09:43 AM | #118 |
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That price shocked me That's like the cost of a new clutch every fluid change.
You might want to e-mail Mike Miller and ask for the latest version of the "Lifetime Maintenance Schedule". There is an extensive section about transmission oil changes in there. OR PM me with your e-mail and I'll send you the version I have which is likely the latest version. I think if you do the transmission maintenance now you'll be one of the few that will be driving past 150k on the original auto tranny without major service being needed. BTW, I always thought there was a way to hook up an auto tranny to a device that would circulate the oil so that a thorough oil change could be done. Might want to ask around about that.
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02-15-2013, 02:45 PM | #119 | |
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2007 335i Coupe #1 Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec Zero to 100 mph: 12.1 sec Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.6 sec Standing ,¼-mile: 13.6 sec @ 105 mph Top speed (governor limited): 144 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 160 ft 2007 335i Coupe #2 Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec Zero to 100 mph: 12.1 sec Zero to 140 mph: 26.7 sec Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.5 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.4 sec @ 106 mph Top speed (governor limited): 145 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 156 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g 2011 335i Sedan # Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.5 sec Top speed (governor limited): 130 mph (150 mph with Sport package)
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02-15-2013, 03:13 PM | #120 | |
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02-15-2013, 03:16 PM | #121 |
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nope. loved my auto 335i and moreso in my M3.
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02-15-2013, 11:36 PM | #123 |
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Every other BMW I had except my E90 and an old E34 were 5 speeds and all of them were probably driven 5000 miles a year because I drove my auto cars more often because of Atlanta traffic. My last E34 5 speed was driven 3000 miles during the year I had it.
The next older BMW I build will have a 5 speed though.
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02-16-2013, 07:09 AM | #124 |
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I love driving my 6MT... Took me forever to find the right one though.
Been driving manual for awhile now, kinda feels automatic to me know in a sense. I'm sure a lot of you 6MT drivers out there feel the same. |
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02-16-2013, 10:56 AM | #125 |
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Can't believe no one has ever mentioned this in other MT vs AT threads:
With MT, you're not able to hold your girl's hands for an extended period of time while driving! ... did that all the time in my previous AT car and took it for granted. Other than that, MT > AT all day everyday |
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02-16-2013, 01:49 PM | #126 | |
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I won't argue that it wouldn't be easier to do the above with an automatic. And a short-shifter or short shift knob is a must!
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02-16-2013, 03:13 PM | #128 |
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I wish I had a manual when I am driving on twisty open roads. However, daily traffic gridlock that I endure everyday makes me glad I do not have a manual.
Also, even though I have taught my wife long time back how to drive manual. She refuses to drive manual. So I am OK with auto for now. I do want a DCT it would be nice compromise between the two.
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02-16-2013, 03:23 PM | #129 |
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Never regretted it. My previous Bimmer was manual and it was pain in constant stop'n go traffic we get daily.
The excellent Steptronic gives me all the control I need on the RPM. I use M/DS mode about all the time. I even lift throttle between shifts just for the fun of it. Once accustomed to it, it is very enjoyable. Most manumatics just suck, but not this one. Frankly, I no longer see a point in that 3rd pedal. I wouldn't say this about our 2012 manual Civic. |
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02-16-2013, 04:27 PM | #131 | |
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OK Dozhdbog, I finally had some time to go through Car and Driver's website and look up all their 335i tests, and they did plenty!
So, since we have test data for both transmissions from the same tester, we have a fairly objective alternative to BMW's test data. So we finally have a pretty reliable answer to which is faster, the 335i with 6 Speed Manual or 335i with 6 Speed Steptronic Auto... Drumroll... NEITHER ONE IS CLEARLY FASTER THAN THE OTHER! Take a look at the following test data. Note that there is only one test where the car definitely had the Steptronic. In the other test (noted) both transmissions are listed in the data panel and the article text does not clear this up. Some of the tests suggest that the 6MT might be slightly faster, since there are two tests with a 0-60 result of 4.8 seconds, both are 6MT. But I think 0.1 sec is probably the margin of error, and if you scan the data you can see 0.1 sec variations in the other acceleration tests, going both ways. To me 0.1 seconds is just not a significant difference. Note that the 335is, with +20 HP, +70 lb-ft of torque on overboost, and DCT, only beats the fastest 335i 0-60 time by 0.2 seconds. But if there is one point that is going to have to be conclusively settled, is that the 6MT 335i is not slower than the 6AT 335i. There is no way you can twist the data to support a claim that the 6MT is slower. Here is the data: Quote:
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02-16-2013, 04:40 PM | #132 |
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I had to travel 300+ miles to get my manual e92. I have had around 12 Bmws with 9 of them being manual. I have never broken a manual tranny and I drive cars pretty hard. I realize the auto does have some advantages but I feel a lot safer modding a manual car. These cars are not underpowered at all. I can zip around downtown Louisville without moving the shifter out of 2nd gear. On the expressway I leave it in 6th and have enough ass to pass people from 50mph on up. There really is no hunt for gears with a car this powerful. Now if this was a 1984 318i, that would be a much different story. Lol FWIW Im thinking of buying a Gmc Syclone/Typhoon which are automatics...
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