E90Post
 


Coby Wheel
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions > N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i > Air Filter Dyno Testing - Round 2 - K&N vs Helene vs ITG vs BMC vs BMS vs Stock



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-28-2008, 02:57 AM   #1
Scott B
Second Lieutenant
United_States
39
Rep
219
Posts

Drives: 1M
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NorCal

iTrader: (2)

Air Filter Dyno Testing - Round 2 - K&N vs Helene vs ITG vs BMC vs BMS vs Stock

Round 2 of testing is finally complete. Round 1 of testing can be found here. This test included a few more filters and was performed slightly differently from Round 1. Another variable to consider is the ambient temperature, which was a toasty 94* during today's testing. The temperature during Round 1 was much cooler (60's if memory serves correct).

Filters tested: Stock, ITG, K&N, BMC, Helene, BMS

Test Vehicle: 2008 335xi E92 6AT with JB2 and no secondary cats

Test Procedure: Each pull was done in 3rd gear. Repeated 4th gear pulls on this load-bearing dyno causes overheating even with the factory oil cooler installed and plenty of airflow in the dyno cell. RPM sampling range was from 2k to 6.8k. Boost was sampled from the BOV vacuum line, and AFR was sampled at the right-side tailpipe using an Innovate LM-1 wideband. The vehicle was warmed up to the point of the oil temp gauge being 3 hash marks short of 250* for the first run to begin for each filter. After each run, the car was allowed a few minutes of cooldown until the oil temp again read 3 hash marks short of 250*. Four runs were done on each filter. The best run for each filter is shown below compared to the stock filter (stock is the solid line). Underscoring the impact of heat, you'll see that the best run for nearly every filter (save the BMC) was the first run. The other runs, grouped by filter, are also found below. Ambient temperature remained between 91* and 94* during the entire test with humidity at 32%.

Conclusion: Under these conditions, none of the aftermarket filters outperform the stock filter.









--------------------------------------











--------------------------------------











Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 03:10 AM   #2
shyestsparks
Captain
24
Rep
824
Posts

Drives: 335i sedan, 02 Altima VQ35DE-T
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Ca

iTrader: (5)

Interesting.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 03:18 AM   #3
Global Motorsports Group
New Member
United_States
3
Rep
29
Posts

Drives: Two Turbos, 2.7 Liters, 4 Door
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Newport Beach, CA

iTrader: (0)

Thank you for that info, greatly appreciated! 91 Octane?

Need more fans in that room...
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 03:27 AM   #4
sambonator
Samtaro!
sambonator's Avatar
United_States
121
Rep
2,601
Posts

Drives: 2014 F32 N55 Alpinweiß
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Newport Beach, CA, USA

iTrader: (7)

So filters have no effect on stock cars. It would have been interesting to see a run with no filter installed with stock airbox, to get the theoretical max possible with any filter.

Also would be interesting to see effects of various filters with a tune.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 04:24 AM   #5
ChaneRZ
If You Aint First, You're last !!!
ChaneRZ's Avatar
United_States
81
Rep
2,509
Posts

Drives: 08 BMW 335i, 01 Honda Prelude
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

interesting. need a full setup air intake to gain hp.
__________________

08 BMW BSM 335i 6MT (Sports, Premium, NAV, PDC, AS, IPOD, HD Radio, Rear Sunshade, OEM Alarm) Angel iBright V3, Luminics Fog Bulb, Turbo Tuner, K&N Drop in Filter, Dinan Exhaust, Dinan Pedals, Vorsteiner CF Front Lip, and CF Rear Diffuser. Ordered:08/25/07 Started: 09/09/07 Finished: 09/14/07 On Ship: 09/15/07 Arrived: 10/08/07 Delivered: 10/10/07
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 07:05 AM   #6
Leroi
Second Lieutenant
Leroi's Avatar
United_States
13
Rep
211
Posts

Drives: 2007 335i TiAg MT
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA

iTrader: (9)

Garage List
2007 335i Coupe  [9.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by sambonator View Post
So filters have no effect on stock cars...
Also would be interesting to see effects of various filters with a tune.
Test Vehicle: 2008 335xi E92 6AT with JB2 and no secondary cats

Interesting, when compared to round 1 results.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 07:44 AM   #7
marcvtec
Banned
407
Rep
2,704
Posts

Drives: M5
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: toronto

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sambonator View Post
So filters have no effect on stock cars. It would have been interesting to see a run with no filter installed with stock airbox, to get the theoretical max possible with any filter.

Also would be interesting to see effects of various filters with a tune.
He has a tune
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 07:57 AM   #8
hotrod182
.
hotrod182's Avatar
788
Rep
3,972
Posts

Drives: 2023 i4 M50
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sambonator View Post
So filters have no effect on stock cars. It would have been interesting to see a run with no filter installed with stock airbox, to get the theoretical max possible with any filter.

Also would be interesting to see effects of various filters with a tune.
Someone already tested with no filter installed and reported no increase.
__________________
2011 Alpine 335d M-Sport 12.34 @ 110.48mph
2019 i3s Terra,
2008 Black 335i Sedan. 11.11@ 129.47 mph
2008 Monaco Blue JB3 2.0 335i Coupe. 11.33 @ 132.77 mph, 60-130mph: 6.95 seconds
2023 i4 M50 11.48 @ 121.56mph, 3.43 0-60 (dragy)
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 08:17 AM   #9
timtech
Lieutenant
timtech's Avatar
25
Rep
518
Posts

Drives: M3
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Over there

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott B View Post
Round 2 of testing is finally complete. Round 1 of testing can be found here.

Conclusion: Under these conditions, none of the aftermarket filters outperform the stock filter.
Very interesting results compared to Round 1. Thanks for all the time and work.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 08:51 AM   #10
who's ur daddy?
Colonel
133
Rep
2,904
Posts

Drives: Canada's first and only 323xi
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Mind Your Own Fkin Business

iTrader: (3)

What about adaptation?

Also, perhaps the better indicator is the 1/4 track instead of a dyno with fans.

But overall, I am impressed with the effort. Kudos to you for providing impartial evidence for the N54 community.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 08:56 AM   #11
cn555ic
cn555ic's Avatar
United_States
441
Rep
18,331
Posts

Drives: 335i
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: US

iTrader: (6)

so basically from your dynos it showing that there is no effect of which brand used, the gains are nominal to the point that u can say all these companies stating gains in hp is not as great as advertised!!! Hmmmmmmm!!!!
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 09:19 AM   #12
e90AW335i
Major General
United_States
137
Rep
6,608
Posts

Drives: e90 335i
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: ......

iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by cn555ic View Post
so basically from your dynos it showing that there is no effect of which brand used, the gains are nominal to the point that u can say all these companies stating gains in hp is not as great as advertised!!! Hmmmmmmm!!!!
If that is the case then I am sure that would apple to UR's CAI as well.....
__________________
I install all tunes, intakes, o2 simms, and most cosmetic mods. PM me for a quote.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 09:32 AM   #13
Orb
Lieutenant Colonel
No_Country
111
Rep
1,764
Posts

Drives: 335
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canada

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott B View Post
Round 2 of testing is finally complete. Round 1 of testing can be found here. This test included a few more filters and was performed slightly differently from Round 1. Another variable to consider is the ambient temperature, which was a toasty 94* during today's testing. The temperature during Round 1 was much cooler (60's if memory serves correct).

Filters tested: Stock, ITG, K&N, BMC, Helene, BMS

Test Vehicle: 2008 335xi E92 6AT with JB2 and no secondary cats

Test Procedure: Each pull was done in 3rd gear. Repeated 4th gear pulls on this load-bearing dyno causes overheating even with the factory oil cooler installed and plenty of airflow in the dyno cell. RPM sampling range was from 2k to 6.8k. Boost was sampled from the BOV vacuum line, and AFR was sampled at the right-side tailpipe using an Innovate LM-1 wideband. The vehicle was warmed up to the point of the oil temp gauge being 3 hash marks short of 250* for the first run to begin for each filter. After each run, the car was allowed a few minutes of cooldown until the oil temp again read 3 hash marks short of 250*. Four runs were done on each filter. The best run for each filter is shown below compared to the stock filter (stock is the solid line). Underscoring the impact of heat, you'll see that the best run for nearly every filter (save the BMC) was the first run. The other runs, grouped by filter, are also found below. Ambient temperature remained between 91* and 94* during the entire test with humidity at 32%.

Conclusion: Under these conditions, none of the aftermarket filters outperform the stock filter.
]
Very well done test and first here for completeness of information. I will PM you some info about correlating the previous results with this test. Given the condition I’m not surprised with the result.

PM me the info you have for ambient temperature and relative humidity of the previous test.

Orb
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 10:14 AM   #14
DrewKo
Lieutenant Colonel
DrewKo's Avatar
44
Rep
1,568
Posts

Drives: 335i Montego Blue Saddle Brown
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA

iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2007 335i  [0.00]
But the previou test you ran showed some gains over stock, so what are we to conclude?
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 11:05 AM   #15
sambonator
Samtaro!
sambonator's Avatar
United_States
121
Rep
2,601
Posts

Drives: 2014 F32 N55 Alpinweiß
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Newport Beach, CA, USA

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroi View Post
Test Vehicle: 2008 335xi E92 6AT with JB2 and no secondary cats

Interesting, when compared to round 1 results.

Why are power levels so low? I just saw the graphs and concluded it was stock. 272whp...

Quote:
Originally Posted by DrewKo View Post
But the previou test you ran showed some gains over stock, so what are we to conclude?
...that any gains from filters are statistically insignificant...?
...or that we can criticize the tester for not allowing the ECU to adapt to each filter...?
__________________
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 11:06 AM   #16
NRG
Lieutenant Colonel
NRG's Avatar
Russian Federation
36
Rep
1,658
Posts

Drives: 2012 X5 35d
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Montreal QC

iTrader: (5)

Very interesting info, and thanks for the time you spent collecting and testing all those filters. It looks like the BMC is still on top, even by a bit. This thread should be a sticky 100%.
__________________

Retired: 2005 N52 E90 330i Sport 6AT
Retired: 2007 N54 E92 335i Sport 6AT

Current: 2012 M57 E70 X5 xDrive35D
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 11:12 AM   #17
drphil71
First Lieutenant
drphil71's Avatar
United_States
5
Rep
308
Posts

Drives: E92 335i
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: South Florida

iTrader: (1)

How many of these vendors are actually on the forum? Just Helene? BMC?

Maybe chime in?
__________________
E92 335i
Sig patent pending...
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 11:26 AM   #18
Bubbles
Brigadier General
Bubbles's Avatar
Cayman Islands
2753
Rep
4,445
Posts

Drives: Green Bastard
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bishop Bend

iTrader: (3)

Nice work, OP.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 12:01 PM   #19
kitw
Colonel
kitw's Avatar
471
Rep
2,991
Posts

Drives: F91 M8, 991.2 GT3
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bay Area, CA

iTrader: (20)

Take a look at the stock intake box. When air flows up through the filter and then across that barrier, and down to the intake horns, the cross section gets pretty small. That is going to be the largest restriction.

I just ordered some ITG cone filters, with an integrated velocity stack, that slip into the stock air intake tubes. I'll keep y'all updated when I receive them in a week or two.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 12:27 PM   #20
e90AW335i
Major General
United_States
137
Rep
6,608
Posts

Drives: e90 335i
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: ......

iTrader: (4)

Response to the filter testing per Terry Burger@BMS:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Burger
Hi Scott,

It was a pleasure hanging out and helping with the test. I can definitely vouch for the consistency of the testing, and although the results are surprising I believe they are accurate.

My take on the BMS filter:

I'm not sure if it is mentioned but this testing was a lot harder than the dyno testing I've done in the past. It was performed on a Mustang load dyno, with the hood closed, in a sealed room. Airflow across the car was 30-40mph. The BMS filter tested was from my car with around 3,000 miles on it. I considered testing a brand new filter but figured a used filter would give better "real world" results. The cars were run a few times on the dyno to get them adapted and ensure everything was hot before testing started. Ambient temps were in the 90s and we used 91 octane, so these were pretty much the worst possible conditions to showcase the filter as far as heat is concerned.

But despite that this testing proved the "sucking hot air" concern is moot. Even with much less airflow than you would see on the road, it made just as much horsepower as all the drop in filters using the stock airbox. And I'm confident if we were able to turn boost up a bit that it would outperform the rest. I've done a lot of VBOX road testing and have verified the filter works on the street.

And IMHO the BMS filter was the best sounding BY FAR....
__________________
I install all tunes, intakes, o2 simms, and most cosmetic mods. PM me for a quote.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 12:40 PM   #21
jcarlucci1
Lieutenant Colonel
63
Rep
1,642
Posts

Drives: Jet Black 335i
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Tampa

iTrader: (10)

looks like the bms performed the best..
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2008, 12:48 PM   #22
fedinand
Major
fedinand's Avatar
United_States
74
Rep
1,271
Posts

Drives: '11 X3, '11 GTI
Join Date: May 2007
Location: MN

iTrader: (6)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jcarlucci1 View Post
looks like the bms performed the best..
Looked like the BMC performed the best to me....
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:09 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST