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      10-12-2009, 01:54 PM   #397
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I have OPS (bought for the CiC upgrade), and my software is too new for PROGMAN 32.0. That means so far, OPS is useless for my MY08 M3 coding. We're trying to get newer PROGMAN to code my car. I think you're going to be very limited in the work that OPS will do for you in the near future.

OPS will not work with 3G. For 3G, you either need ICOM A+B+C, or Passthrough +XS. I bought the Passthrough +XS because ICOM A+B+C costs about $4500, whereas PTXS is only $1100.
Do you have access to ISTA/P? That's what you'll need.

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If an E46 can get the FSC codes somehow...
Yes, but he was a different example. For instance he designed a custom peice of hardware to translate from KCAN to KBUS.
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Yes, but he was a different example. For instance he designed a custom peice of hardware to translate from KCAN to KBUS.
But that still requires the FSC codes to enable just the Nav/Voice features within the unit. It is my understanding that the KCAN>KBUS translator it is only to allow everything else to "join" the E46 CAN Bus.

When I asked about getting the FSC codes he said that regardless of the CIC being new or used he can generate FSC codes for it. So the suckers are still required...
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But that still requires the FSC codes to enable just the Nav/Voice features within the unit. It is my understanding that the KCAN>KBUS translator it is only to allow everything else to "join" the E46 CAN Bus.

When I asked about getting the FSC codes he said that regardless of the CIC being new or used he can generate FSC codes for it. So the suckers are still required...
Yep. If you're talking about who I think you are, I talked to him too, and got the same response about him requiring the car. Which I think is BS. Had no interest in explaining what/why etc. I'm sure it can be taught, but he doesn't seem willing to teach it.
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Yep. If you're talking about who I think you are, I talked to him too, and got the same response about him requiring the car. Which I think is BS. Had no interest in explaining what/why etc. I'm sure it can be taught, but he doesn't seem willing to teach it.
That's the reason I'm going to ask for the FSC enabling codes directly to the source: BMW.
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My dear, we are waiting for a whisky Don't forget about it.
Your whiskey is waiting for somebody traveling to Moscow
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Your whiskey is waiting for somebody traveling to Moscow
Estimated delivery time - 2-3 weeks
Ok, it'll be great. Btw, now we have one more car with CIC installed It's a e92 from dragtimes.info
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Ok, it'll be great. Btw, now we have one more car with CIC installed It's a e92 from dragtimes.info
hook it up!!!!!
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Ok, it'll be great. Btw, now we have one more car with CIC installed It's a e92 from dragtimes.info
CIC is the next on my list after the winter tyres and M-bodykit
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CIC installation process
http://dragtimes.info/forum/showthread.php?t=262
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http://dragtimes.info/forum/showthread.php?t=47
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Nice! I just wish someone would share how they got the navigation working.
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Nice! I just wish someone would share how they got the navigation working.
You should know very well by now that nobody will give that information out... even BMW does not want anybody to know how this is done, and that's even for customers more than willing to pay legitimately for that information.
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Nice! I just wish someone would share how they got the navigation working.
Not "they" but "we"
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Not "they" but "we"
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P.s.: the CIC activation code is generated only for car which has CIC already installed.
If "they" is you and somebody else, and you have a CIC fully working in a CCC E92 then how BMW get you the FSC? Did you just ask for the enabling codes and BMW just agreed or this is just a diversion?

I don't have a problem with keeping information from being posted, but I do have a problem with posting false information just to hide the real information.
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Stop. Show me my message, where I tell you about not correctly working CIC?
Then... I told you about Navi-activation code (It generate in BMW-office), not about our way to install CIC into the car.
The question I asked you - the desire to share experiences with the guy from Germany
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Stop. Show me my message, where I tell you about not correctly working CIC?
Then... I told you about Navi-activation code (It generate in BMW-office), not about our way to install CIC into the car.
The question I asked you - the desire to share experiences with the guy from Germany
So, you got the guy to walk and talk.
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Stop. Show me my message, where I tell you about not correctly working CIC?
Then... I told you about Navi-activation code (It generate in BMW-office), not about our way to install CIC into the car.
The question I asked you - the desire to share experiences with the guy from Germany
So, can you tell us how to get the NAV portion working so we can all happily install CIC's in our vehicles? That would be great, and very much appreciated.
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... the P/N of the USB cable for downloading music into the CIC HDD will be appreciated also.
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if i really want to do this project how much am i looking at?


any update from long?
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I believe the last estimate (near the beginning) was around $1000. $500 for screen, $500 for CIC, but that was a used CIC. If I am following things correctly, Technic was told by his dealer the CIC needs to be new in order to have FCS codes written to it which will run you about $900.




Technic, out of curiosity, have you considered splicing the cable in? It may be a proprietary connector, but in the end, it's just a USB connector.

USB has 4 pins, 2 power and 2 data. You can pretty easily find out which one is which with a voltmeter. The pins for USB and their typical color and order are:

VCC +5V (red)
Data- (green)
Data+ (white)
Ground (black)

http://pinouts.ru/Slots/USB_pinout.shtml (I would send you to the official USB site but its just a bunch of PDFs everywhere)

Just take any male-male USB cable cut off one end, and you'll see the wires, just hook them up accordingly. If done right you won't really notice, just have the USB cable recess into the glovebox wall a bit more so you don't see the splice.

[edit] Actually I can guarantee you this will work. BMW has the pins in a different order (D+, VCC, D-, Gnd), but according to the spec you listed here http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...0&postcount=47 its the exact same thing.

If you really want to make it closer, you can splice on a female receiver connector and put that into the wall of your glove box so that you can actually disconnect the USB cable. This would actually work better because it'd be cheaper and if you ever lost the cable, you could easily replace it with another male-male line.
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if i really want to do this project how much am i looking at?


any update from long?
Keep following this thread...we'll let you know when its 100% done.
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I believe the last estimate (near the beginning) was around $1000. $500 for screen, $500 for CIC, but that was a used CIC. If I am following things correctly, Technic was told by his dealer the CIC needs to be new in order to have FCS codes written to it which will run you about $900.




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Keep following this thread...we'll let you know when its 100% done.
yeah i have been watching all along lol....
i will wait till someone finished the retrofit then i will do the retrofit right away! lol!!
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Technic, out of curiosity, have you considered splicing the cable in? It may be a proprietary connector, but in the end, it's just a USB connector.

USB has 4 pins, 2 power and 2 data. You can pretty easily find out which one is which with a voltmeter. The pins for USB and their typical color and order are:

VCC +5V (red)
Data- (green)
Data+ (white)
Ground (black)

http://pinouts.ru/Slots/USB_pinout.shtml (I would send you to the official USB site but its just a bunch of PDFs everywhere)

Just take any male-male USB cable cut off one end, and you'll see the wires, just hook them up accordingly. If done right you won't really notice, just have the USB cable recess into the glovebox wall a bit more so you don't see the splice.

[edit] Actually I can guarantee you this will work. BMW has the pins in a different order (D+, VCC, D-, Gnd), but according to the spec you listed here http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...0&postcount=47 its the exact same thing.

If you really want to make it closer, you can splice on a female receiver connector and put that into the wall of your glove box so that you can actually disconnect the USB cable. This would actually work better because it'd be cheaper and if you ever lost the cable, you could easily replace it with another male-male line.
The cable itself is not the problem, it is the OEM connector at each end of the cable. I'm doing no chop job here, everything has to be OEM.
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