Wheel Hop

harry$ · 08-05-2009, 01:48 AM

Hello,i currently own an e46 m3 with smg and am contemplating trading it in for a 335 with a steptronic, my question is - do you get any wheel hop at the drag strip; if so, how bad does it seem to be and what ways can it be
dealt with?

thanks, harry

sd390r · 08-05-2009, 02:37 AM

they'll be a lot of spin but not too much hop

not bad for a car with no LSD... try launching a 350z, they have the worst axle hop by far out of any car i've driven

CubanJJ09 · 08-05-2009, 07:18 AM

zero wheel hop. spin? yes plenty of that

Jeff335i · 08-05-2009, 08:08 AM

No hop, lots of spin

GeorgiaTech335coupe · 08-05-2009, 09:14 AM

I've gotten wheel hop a small amount, while running the runflats, both stock and tuned. It doesn't happen often, but I also have a lot of passes. I wouldn't worry about it too much, but it does happen.

AndreyATC · 08-27-2009, 03:46 PM

Is there a way to solve this wheel hop issue?
It happened on my 330ci and now i get this on 335i
So annoying...

dlbrooks18 · 08-27-2009, 07:38 PM

these might help:

http://www.hpashop.com/product.sc?pr...categoryId=120

rismo · 08-27-2009, 08:01 PM

I also have it alot.... very annoying, would it be better with the M3 rods or with the complete set of m3 suspension parts?

WhereItsAt · 08-28-2009, 07:46 AM

For those with wheel hop, do you have a limited-slip differential?

AndreyATC · 08-28-2009, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhereItsAt

For those with wheel hop, do you have a limited-slip differential?

I do have LSD, but a lot of people have wheel hop on stock diff

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlbrooks18

these might help:

http://www.hpashop.com/product.sc?pr...categoryId=120

Have you tried it or is this something that "normaly" helps in this situation?

Sniz · 08-28-2009, 08:42 AM

I had horrible wheel hop at the drag strip. A well prepped launching area and RFT's made for bad news.

changing tire pressures worked well for me. Just have to play around.

AndreyATC · 08-28-2009, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sniz

I had horrible wheel hop at the drag strip. A well prepped launching area and RFT's made for bad news.

changing tire pressures worked well for me. Just have to play around.

That's not going to be my solution
I'm not planning to hit dragstrip nor have my 19'' wheels with inadequate pressure and drive in NYC
I just need nice bit of a wheel spin instead of jumping rear when i hammer the throttle

HighVoltage · 08-28-2009, 10:25 AM

Why do you need wheel spin?

AndreyATC · 08-28-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighVoltage

Why do you need wheel spin?

Does it matter?

I always drive with DSC completely off
There are ocassions when i need to take off fast dry/wet
I get wheel hop on either surface unless i overspin
This car launches perfectly with 3-4k rpm with my current setup
I just hate when this happens, the whole car shudders

HighVoltage · 08-28-2009, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Does it matter?

I always drive with DSC completely off
There are ocassions when i need to take off fast dry/wet
I get hop on either surface unless i overspin
This car launches perfectly with 3-4k rpm with my current setup
I just hate when this happens, the whole car shudders

If you are really interested in taking off as quick as possible than you dont need wheel spin.

AndreyATC · 08-28-2009, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighVoltage

If you are really interested in taking off as quick as possible than you dont need wheel spin.

Actually you do!
The point is not to overspin, but just make right amount of it

Anyways, can i please have some suggestions of a fix instead of lessons on launching the car?

HighVoltage · 08-28-2009, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Actually you do!
The point is not to overspin, but just make right amount of it

That makes no sense...

If you are "spinning" your tires then you are going nowhere. A modification to prevent hop will only prevent hop, it will not keep you from overloading the rubber and going nowhere. Going nowhere != fast. On the street, with street tires, wheel spin is nothing but a show. If thats want you want then use more throttle to keep the rubber+pavement into kinetic friction otherwise you'll just blow the water/bleach/etc off and just get hop.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Anyways, can i please have some suggestions of a fix instead of lessons on launching the car?

Ok. Fix your right foot.

rismo · 08-28-2009, 11:53 AM

I do not have a LSD but a lot of hop... Although I recently changed my tyres presure from 2.2-2.3 bar to 2.5 and afterwards it became much worse...

Was raised before, but would a M3 suspension help on this one?

kjrulz · 08-28-2009, 11:59 AM

I think AndreyATC is correct if I'm reading it right. A little wheelspin is preferable. The people who replied to him are picturing him just spinning his tires for show/smoke, but when launching a split second of spin is showing that when you let go of clutch, you're on the breaking point.

645Nm · 08-28-2009, 12:24 PM

Hop? What hop

Agree, sell the e46.

335 is the way to go

AndreyATC · 08-28-2009, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjrulz

I think AndreyATC is correct if I'm reading it right. A little wheelspin is preferable. The people who replied to him are picturing him just spinning his tires for show/smoke, but when launching a split second of spin is showing that when you let go of clutch, you're on the breaking point.

Thank you for understanding reply
No plan for smoking tires or any of that nonsence
Just trying to get rid of that nasty wheel hope in case tires do break loose
My point is: good or bad launch with small or larger amount of spin should always result smooth spinning, not the-whole-car-shakes spin

P.S. I hate when thread goes OT
Thanks HighVoltage for your usless (incorrect) replies

HighVoltage · 08-28-2009, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjrulz

I think AndreyATC is correct if I'm reading it right. A little wheelspin is preferable. The people who replied to him are picturing him just spinning his tires for show/smoke, but when launching a split second of spin is showing that when you let go of clutch, you're on the breaking point.

It means you've passed the breaking point and you need to keep practicing to find that right RPM clutch release.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Thank you for understanding reply
No plan for smoking tires or any of that nonsence
Just trying to get rid of that nasty wheel hope in case tires do break loose
My point is: good or bad launch with small or larger amount of spin should always result smooth spinning, not the-whole-car-shakes spin

If it is shaking, you need to back out of the throttle for split sec. You can limit the hop with suspension hardware. Then you end up trading hop for spin. But then whats the point? Neither one gets you to the end any faster..

Quote:

P.S. I hate when thread goes OT
Thanks HighVoltage for your usless (incorrect) replies

Did you bother to read the OP?

"my question is - do you get any wheel hop at the drag strip; if so, how bad does it seem to be and what ways can it be
dealt with?"

Whats "usless" is to throw hardware at a software problem...always fix the software between your ears first.

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GeorgiaTech335coupe Lieutenant Colonel 76 Rep 1,883 Posts Drives: Black BMW 335i coupe Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I've gotten wheel hop a small amount, while running the runflats, both stock and tuned. It doesn't happen often, but I also have a lot of passes. I wouldn't worry about it too much, but it does happen. __________________ Legal Disclaimer: Anything I or anyone else says about my vehicle on this website(e90post.com or any affiliated or nonaffiliated sites), pertaining to modifications, is only to gain acceptance from my/our peers, and does not actually represent anything actually existing on my car, and thus, cannot be held against me in any issues, i.e. warranty claims, that may arise.
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rismo Captain 75 Rep 911 Posts Drives: BMW E92 335 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	I also have it alot.... very annoying, would it be better with the M3 rods or with the complete set of m3 suspension parts? __________________ BMW 335 E92 09 - Full options - DKG - MHD by Buraq - RB Next Gen - RB Inlets/Outlet - Forge Diverter Valves - AR Catless DP - Afe Intake - Helix IC - FuelIT Stage 2 LPFP - Ar Oil Cooler - PPK Water Cooler - M3 Suspension - JRZ RS1 Shocks - Eibach Pro Springs - Drexler LSD - BMW IS Exhaust - Carbon Endurance Brake Pads - Stainless Steel Brake Lines - M101 Wheels - Michelin PS2 - M-Tech Body - M-Strutbar BMW M550i G30 2019 - BM3
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Sniz Lieutenant General 654 Rep 10,587 Posts Drives: e92 335 - gone // e36 M3 turbo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD iTrader: (1)	I had horrible wheel hop at the drag strip. A well prepped launching area and RFT's made for bad news. changing tire pressures worked well for me. Just have to play around. __________________
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rismo Captain 75 Rep 911 Posts Drives: BMW E92 335 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	I do not have a LSD but a lot of hop... Although I recently changed my tyres presure from 2.2-2.3 bar to 2.5 and afterwards it became much worse... Was raised before, but would a M3 suspension help on this one? __________________ BMW 335 E92 09 - Full options - DKG - MHD by Buraq - RB Next Gen - RB Inlets/Outlet - Forge Diverter Valves - AR Catless DP - Afe Intake - Helix IC - FuelIT Stage 2 LPFP - Ar Oil Cooler - PPK Water Cooler - M3 Suspension - JRZ RS1 Shocks - Eibach Pro Springs - Drexler LSD - BMW IS Exhaust - Carbon Endurance Brake Pads - Stainless Steel Brake Lines - M101 Wheels - Michelin PS2 - M-Tech Body - M-Strutbar BMW M550i G30 2019 - BM3
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kjrulz Mastermind 71 Rep 1,360 Posts Drives: girls krazy Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: your mother iTrader: (5)	I think AndreyATC is correct if I'm reading it right. A little wheelspin is preferable. The people who replied to him are picturing him just spinning his tires for show/smoke, but when launching a split second of spin is showing that when you let go of clutch, you're on the breaking point.
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