[makkan00]

Guys
Just wondering if anybody has done it and what differences have you felt?

My car is currently 290 BHP and approx 600 Nm torque.

So if I get 335i and use JB4, would it be fair to get 370 BHP and 500 Nm torque.

That is approx 80 BHP gain and 100 Nm torque lost!

I have driven N55 with DCT (stock car) and felt that on 0-60 MPH, my car is fast. It could be just a subjective feeling but that is how I felt. It might be massive torque which gave me that feeling.

Any comments welcomed....

['V']

Not that it helps but I went the other way.
335i (jb4) to 330d (no map) there is a noticeable power difference and a completely different drive.
I think if I would have gone the other way I'd be over the moon, not that I'm disappointed cause I'm not. The 330d is a beast in its own right!

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by 'V'

Not that it helps but I went the other way.
335i (jb4) to 330d (no map) there is a noticeable power difference and a completely different drive.
I think if I would have gone the other way I'd be over the moon, not that I'm disappointed cause I'm not. The 330d is a beast in its own right!

Mate, you are missing the map there....
Once you put that, you will enjoy it. If yours is manual, then just be careful!


Do you mind me asking why did you move from 335i to 330d?

[SO8]

I had a DMS remapped 330d and changed to a 340bhp Z4 35iS so not 370bhp but an interesting change

I find the 35iS more rewarding to drive as it just keeps accelerating. The remapped 330d was quick but not as pleasant.

I don't think the remapped 330d would be embarrassed by my 35iS but it would be slower. It is easier to deploy the power on the 35iS as it is more progressive. I found my experience with a remapped 330d not as rewarding as the std 245ps 330d I had before.

Just my views FWIW.

[Ess]

Originally Posted by makkan00

Guys
Just wondering if anybody has done it and what differences have you felt?

My car is currently 290 BHP and approx 600 Nm torque.

So if I get 335i and use JB4, would it be fair to get 370 BHP and 500 Nm torque.

That is approx 80 BHP gain and 100 Nm torque lost!

I have driven N55 with DCT (stock car) and felt that on 0-60 MPH, my car is fast. It could be just a subjective feeling but that is how I felt. It might be massive torque which gave me that feeling.

Any comments welcomed....

Hi Sam,

My experience doesn't exactly answer your question, but I hope it helps a little anyway. Some years ago, my friend and I both had cars producing around 180 BHP, mine was a turbo petrol and his was a turbo diesel, both manual 5 gears. Time and time again, we dragged them and the outcome was always more or less the same - mine was very slightly faster to 60mph, probably because it was a lighter car.

We also car shared a lot, so we got to drive each other's car, both as a driver and a passenger, and every single time, his diesel felt faster. Even as a passenger in my own car, mine felt slower. It left me dissatisfied. The fact that I knew it wasn't didn't really help

When I got my 335d, I knew the 335i was faster but what mattered more to me was how it felt and how it made me feel. The torque in that is immense at 700 NM and still puts a grin on my face every time

I know the i is faster, but so far I have no regrets. Only thing I envy from the i is the sound. Hearing Josh's 335i at Ikea the other day did make me a little envious...

That said, I've never driven a 335i. Probably best that I don't, as I wouldn't want to realise I've made a terrible mistake

PS: haven't you only just bought the 330d??

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by SO8

I find the 35iS more rewarding to drive as it just keeps accelerating. The remapped 330d was quick but not as pleasant.

I completely agree with that. On 335i, I felt that it is more responsive and throttle was more responsive.

Originally Posted by SO8

I don't think the remapped 330d would be embarrassed by my 35iS but it would be slower.

correct.

Originally Posted by SO8

It is easier to deploy the power on the 35iS as it is more progressive. I found my experience with a remapped 330d not as rewarding as the std 245ps 330d I had before.

Just my views FWIW.

I found remapped 330d more responsive and fun to driver. My stock was good but not brilliant. Once remapped and when you put it in Sport mode, it is totally a different car.

[Ess]

Originally Posted by SO8

I found my experience with a remapped 330d not as rewarding as the std 245ps 330d I had before.

Out of curiosity, may I ask why not? Thanks!

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by Ess

Hi Sam,

My experience doesn't exactly answer your question, but I hope it helps a little anyway. Some years ago, my friend and I both had cars producing around 180 BHP, mine was a turbo petrol and his was a turbo diesel, both manual 5 gears. Time and time again, we dragged them and the outcome was always more or less the same - mine was very slightly faster to 60mph, probably because it was a lighter car.

We also car shared a lot, so we got to drive each other's car, both as a driver and a passenger, and every single time, his diesel felt faster. Even as a passenger in my own car, mine felt slower. It left me dissatisfied. The fact that I knew it wasn't didn't really help

I think that is what I felt. Torque from diesel gave me a feeling that it was faster than 335i. Only drag race can tell the reality. I am only comparing 0-60mph and this is the speed which I will be doing most of the days most of the time.

Originally Posted by Ess

When I got my 335d, I knew the 335i was faster but what mattered more to me was how it felt and how it made me feel. The torque in that is immense at 700 NM and still puts a grin on my face every time

I know the i is faster, but so far I have no regrets. Only thing I envy from the i is the sound. Hearing Josh's 335i at Ikea the other day did make me a little envious...

335D is beast. I compared 330D VS 335D and a very wise / senior member advised to go for 330d. No regrets.

When it comes to a sound, it does not really matter to me as most of the time my sound system overtake any other external sound.

I have recently install audio stuff on 335i with Performance exhaust. PE was awesome, but once sound system was installed, I could hardly hear PE.
So, exhaust is not my priority.

Originally Posted by Ess

That said, I've never driven a 335i. Probably best that I don't, as I wouldn't want to realise I've made a terrible mistake

Drive yourself but after driving remapped 335d, you will regret driving stock 335i. Exception is jb4/ cobb enabled 335i plus DCT / Alpina AT software.

Originally Posted by Ess

PS: haven't you only just bought the 330d??

I did but I am going to do silly miles so ended up buying second car. (full nav retrofit is on its way on that car as well )
I drove my 330d over the weekend enjoyed every bit of it. Sound system, NBT, massive torque....



You know that we all get itch..... I am just thinking that if I am going to hardly use beamer, should I consider 335i? Especially when I can get 335i for the same price which I paid for 330d.

['V']

Originally Posted by makkan00

Mate, you are missing the map there....
Once you put that, you will enjoy it. If yours is manual, then just be careful!


Do you mind me asking why did you move from 335i to 330d?

Yeah, manual.
Think I'm gonna go with the evolve switch when I'm ready.

Changed car due to change of job. Miles each day have nearly tripled and may increase further still. Although with cost of changing car I will possibly have lost money long term it just wasn't financially viable to run it on a daily basis for me.

I really do miss it tho

[SO8]

Originally Posted by Ess

Out of curiosity, may I ask why not? Thanks!

The 245ps was totally deployable and good fun. The remap was great, truly excellent - but the fact it was a diesel made using the power with comfort was not so easy. It was massively quick but I guess I just like petrol remaps as they are able to be more progressive.

It was just a personal thing. I have had a TVR Griffith so it wasn't the acceleration just the way the remapped 330d did it.

To complicate this I would definitely recommend DMS 100% ... which may seem odd given what I have just said but their map was just awesome - but made me want more power in a petrol engine where I can go and get them to remap my 35iS

[Rudz]

if u are not doing miles, a 335i with JB4 would be awesome

there were a few on classifieds with LSD and suspension mods, get one mate

note, the early 335i's had £400+ road tax, so choose a later model if u decide to go for it.

[Ess]

Originally Posted by makkan00

I did but I am going to do silly miles so ended up buying second car. (full nav retrofit is on its way on that car as well )
I drove my 330d over the weekend enjoyed every bit of it. Sound system, NBT, massive torque....


You know that we all get itch..... I am just thinking that if I am going to hardly use beamer, should I consider 335i? Especially when I can get 335i for the same price which I paid for 330d.

Sound logic. Good luck with your decision!

Originally Posted by SO8

The 245ps was totally deployable and good fun. The remap was great, truly excellent - but the fact it was a diesel made using the power with comfort was not so easy. It was massively quick but I guess I just like petrol remaps as they are able to be more progressive.

It was just a personal thing. I have had a TVR Griffith so it wasn't the acceleration just the way the remapped 330d did it.

To complicate this I would definitely recommend DMS 100% ... which may seem odd given what I have just said but their map was just awesome - but made me want more power in a petrol engine where I can go and get them to remap my 35iS

I can understand that. I'm sometimes tempted to get an old little hot hatch that I can actually drive hard. I can rarely drive my 335d hard as before you know it, you're doing silly speeds. It's Pros and Cons!

[gangzoom]

If your after a 'special' weekend car a stock 335i really isn't all that good, and I certainly would have chopped mine in within a year of owing it had I not added the LSD. Hence a lot of 335i owners end up changing the suspension adding a LSD, or selling up and getting a M car.

But get one with the right mods and it's a mini M car without the additional running costs

[lolololol]

Went from evolve mapped 335d to FBO 335i so in power numbers 345hp/710nm to 420hp. Car difference is like night and day. Loved the 35d but the 35i is just ridiculous ......and the noise :-)

[Kerr]

The 335i is deceptively fast.

There is no surge in torque to give the feeling of speed. It just goes and goes. It is faster than any car with similar power, unless it is much lighter, or has 4wd for faster 0-60mph times only.

Cruise about around town and the car behaves like a diesel with good torque at very low revs.

Put he foot down and it behaves as close to NA as a turbocharged car can. A little lack of top end revs though.

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

If your after a 'special' weekend car a stock 335i really isn't all that good, and I certainly would have chopped mine in within a year of owing it had I not added the LSD. Hence a lot of 335i owners end up changing the suspension adding a LSD, or selling up and getting a M car.

But get one with the right mods and it's a mini M car without the additional running costs

Thanks. Wise words.

But in other words, 335i will cost more in modifications and less reliable than 330d....
Will not be a wise decision then.

Originally Posted by omaragha

Went from evolve mapped 335d to FBO 335i so in power numbers 345hp/710nm to 420hp. Car difference is like night and day. Loved the 35d but the 35i is just ridiculous ......and the noise :-)

Thanks, good to hear the difference.

Originally Posted by Kerr

The 335i is deceptively fast.

There is no surge in torque to give the feeling of speed. It just goes and goes. It is faster than any car with similar power, unless it is much lighter, or has 4wd for faster 0-60mph times only.

Cruise about around town and the car behaves like a diesel with good torque at very low revs.

Put he foot down and it behaves as close to NA as a turbocharged car can. A little lack of top end revs though.

That explains it. There is no surge in torque and hence you do not feel that its a fast car.


Thanks guys for the opinions.

[dest]

That would put me off the 335i, to me a car that doesn't feel fast is boring and gives no enjoyment!
If I wanted to be wafted along Id buy a V12 SL600 Merc like my mate's one. He's got a decent exhaust and a remap, it runs just under 700bhp.
We did a 200 round trip to central London and back on half a tank!
VERY impressive.

Anyway...

I went from a 450bhp RS4 to my mapped 330d, and TBH, I prefer driving the 330d as an everyday car

[Sparky68]

Originally Posted by makkan00

Thanks. Wise words.

But in other words, 335i will cost more in modifications and less reliable than 330d....
Will not be a wise decision then.



Thanks, good to hear the difference.




That explains it. There is no surge in torque and hence you do not feel that its a fast car.


Thanks guys for the opinions.

You are confusing a kick in the back short torque curve with utter mental acceleration :P

I had the same experience coming from a remapped ST to the 335

[AWSAWS]

It's an interesting post.

My 335i doesn't feel that fast until I look at the speedo or realise the cars next to me are now on the horizon in the rear view. It's the flat torque curve.

I don't feel like I get thrown into the seat as the force is just continuous rather than surging.

When I tried a 335D, it forced me into the seat in a massive burst of torque but the short range of rpms means you are changing gear while the i is still pulling.

The D feels amazing and quicker even though it isn't.

The petrols definately have it on the sound though!

Plus on a motorway the 335i is pretty economical mpg wise, even at speed.

DCT is a great option. Very little loss during gear changes where a clutch or torque plate means poorer mpgs.

[windymissile]

You went out in my 335i with jb4, Sam. Its a bit quicker with the dp's and meth now ;-)
The low down urgency of the D makes them feel quicker than they are. The 335i has that low down pull but just keep going to 6k. I have had many a "boy racer " in a derv think it's quick. Only to leave them embarrased.
If you remember, I got 40 mpg on my drive down to you too!
There are a few lci 90's about with the n54, like mine. Im assuming you would want to keep the 4 doors?

WM

[Ajs_435d]

My 335d stage 2 is neck and neck with my mates remapped 335i, the 335i is quicker to around 70 then I catch up.

The 335i is just more enjoyable and sounds better, my 335d is dull in comparison even though I get a good 10 Mpg more.

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by dest

That would put me off the 335i, to me a car that doesn't feel fast is boring and gives no enjoyment!
If I wanted to be wafted along Id buy a V12 SL600 Merc like my mate's one. He's got a decent exhaust and a remap, it runs just under 700bhp.
We did a 200 round trip to central London and back on half a tank!
VERY impressive.

Anyway...

I went from a 450bhp RS4 to my mapped 330d, and TBH, I prefer driving the 330d as an everyday car

I think I am more inclined toward retaining 330d.

I was trying to see benefit of 335i vs lost compared to 330d.

Originally Posted by Sparky68

You are confusing a kick in the back short torque curve with utter mental acceleration :P

I had the same experience coming from a remapped ST to the 335

You are correct but it is confusing.......

Originally Posted by AWSAWS

It's an interesting post.

My 335i doesn't feel that fast until I look at the speedo or realise the cars next to me are now on the horizon in the rear view. It's the flat torque curve.

I don't feel like I get thrown into the seat as the force is just continuous rather than surging.

When I tried a 335D, it forced me into the seat in a massive burst of torque but the short range of rpms means you are changing gear while the i is still pulling.

The D feels amazing and quicker even though it isn't.

The petrols definately have it on the sound though!

Plus on a motorway the 335i is pretty economical mpg wise, even at speed.

DCT is a great option. Very little loss during gear changes where a clutch or torque plate means poorer mpgs.

It certainly does feel very quick. RPM goes all the way to red line on Sport mode and there is no hesitancy after remap.

Originally Posted by windymissile

You went out in my 335i with jb4, Sam. Its a bit quicker with the dp's and meth now ;-)
The low down urgency of the D makes them feel quicker than they are. The 335i has that low down pull but just keep going to 6k. I have had many a "boy racer " in a derv think it's quick. Only to leave them embarrased.
If you remember, I got 40 mpg on my drive down to you too!
There are a few lci 90's about with the n54, like mine. Im assuming you would want to keep the 4 doors?

WM

There are only few 335i that inspires me and yours was one of those and defo felt quick.

If I were to replace mine, it would be 4 doors.

I am just contemplating the idea at the moment but not convinced that 335i is the way to go....

Originally Posted by ajs_335d

My 335d stage 2 is neck and neck with my mates remapped 335i, the 335i is quicker to around 70 then I catch up.

The 335i is just more enjoyable and sounds better, my 335d is dull in comparison even though I get a good 10 Mpg more.

Good to hear real life comparison.
I though that extra torque will give you the edge from 0-60MPH and later 'i' would lead.

Originally Posted by Rudz

if u are not doing miles, a 335i with JB4 would be awesome

there were a few on classifieds with LSD and suspension mods, get one mate

note, the early 335i's had £400+ road tax, so choose a later model if u decide to go for it.

Rudz
I was only considering it as I can get 335i at the same price which I paid for petrol though it will be 70-80K 335i.



So going back to original question which I posted....


80 BHP gain VS 100 NM torque lost....

Which one has more practical implications?

And if 80 BHP gain comes on the expenses of
HPFP failure chances
Turbo failure chances
Water pump failure

Then is 80 BHP gain still dearer than 100NM torque?


Apologies, not being rude but trying to understand the logic behind 335i?

Thanks.