E90Post
 


Extreme Powerhouse
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions > N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i > Really!! Another E85 Thread...



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      07-18-2012, 05:37 PM   #67
new2the3
Colonel
new2the3's Avatar
United_States
378
Rep
2,067
Posts

Drives: 2020 X3M Competition
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: San Diego

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by benzy89 View Post
Regular pump gas contains ~15% ethanol, E85 should be ~85% (hence the 85)
Key word "should" ... but in reality it might be as low as 70% ethanol rather than 85%. Does your pump have the same notice?
__________________
2020 X3MC
2009 135i: AW/CR Aluminum Trim, 6 speed, M-Sport, Premium, Heated Seats, Ipod, BMW Performance Pedals, BMW Performance SSK, BMW Performance Exhaust, BMW Performance Grills E93 M3 FSB
Appreciate 0
      07-18-2012, 05:45 PM   #68
benzy89
Banned
United_States
79
Rep
2,396
Posts

Drives: '08 E90 335i
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Northern NJ

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [7.50]
Quote:
Originally Posted by new2the3 View Post
Key word "should" ... but in reality it might be as low as 70% ethanol rather than 85%. Does your pump have the same notice?
I'll double check tomorrow when I go buy some E85 -- I think it's more a legal disclaimer that the lowest ethanol content can be is 70%
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2012, 09:09 AM   #69
VNeBLOB42
Lieutenant Colonel
VNeBLOB42's Avatar
United_States
50
Rep
1,677
Posts

Drives: 14' GMC Terrain SLT-2
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Folsom, Ca

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
007 335i E92  [7.66]
Quote:
Originally Posted by benzy89 View Post
I'll double check tomorrow when I go buy some E85 -- I think it's more a legal disclaimer that the lowest ethanol content can be is 70%
+1

My pumps, well the one I use says may contain 70% min. 85% max.


__________________

SOLD:: PTF Pro eTune by Dzenno / COBB S1+ E50
Alpina B3 Flash / ETS FMIC / ER CP / CPE DCI

Last edited by VNeBLOB42; 07-19-2012 at 09:14 AM..
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2012, 09:21 AM   #70
BMWsky
Major
United_States
24
Rep
1,244
Posts

Drives: 335i
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Webster NY

iTrader: (1)

I thought the reason for the 70% ethanol was to compensate for the winter months when they reduce the amount of ethanol.

I know the owner of the local ethanol plant here in upstate NY, I'll ask him the next time I see him.
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2012, 09:28 AM   #71
rader1
Banned
68
Rep
2,197
Posts

Drives: Cobb Stage 2+ 135i
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Roanoke, VA

iTrader: (0)

The facility I work at actually has an on site ethanol/e85 production plant(same facility, different company), but the nearest station that carries it is an hour away FML lol
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2012, 10:01 AM   #72
BMWsky
Major
United_States
24
Rep
1,244
Posts

Drives: 335i
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Webster NY

iTrader: (1)

One thing to pay attention to is the availability of E85 over the next year or so; corn crops are facing a shortage in supply. This could either drive the price of E85 up or force certain stations to just stop offering it.
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2012, 10:31 AM   #73
benzy89
Banned
United_States
79
Rep
2,396
Posts

Drives: '08 E90 335i
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Northern NJ

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [7.50]
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMWsky View Post
One thing to pay attention to is the availability of E85 over the next year or so; corn crops are facing a shortage in supply. This could either drive the price of E85 up or force certain stations to just stop offering it.
+1, heard this on the radio this morning that the price on certain crops (corn) and livestock (chicken, cows, pigs, aka that good shit) are going to be going up b/c of a shortage in supply

Luckily, ethanol gas is so heavily subsidized by the Fed Gov't that I don't think will affect it too much (supply or price). Chances are it'll just inflate the price on corn when you buy it at a supermarket
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2012, 10:36 AM   #74
rader1
Banned
68
Rep
2,197
Posts

Drives: Cobb Stage 2+ 135i
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Roanoke, VA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMWsky View Post
One thing to pay attention to is the availability of E85 over the next year or so; corn crops are facing a shortage in supply. This could either drive the price of E85 up or force certain stations to just stop offering it.
That shouldn't really be a problem. Large scale American corn farmers are paid to only produce a certain amount of corn per season to prevent over production which would drive down prices. If they need to increase production they can do it relatively quickly.

Of coarse, that's assuming there's not restrictions against increasing production to make up for a bad season. Which there probably are
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2012, 10:42 AM   #75
BMWsky
Major
United_States
24
Rep
1,244
Posts

Drives: 335i
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Webster NY

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by benzy89 View Post
+1, heard this on the radio this morning that the price on certain crops (corn) and livestock (chicken, cows, pigs, aka that good shit) are going to be going up b/c of a shortage in supply

Luckily, ethanol gas is so heavily subsidized by the Fed Gov't that I don't think will affect it too much (supply or price). Chances are it'll just inflate the price on corn when you buy it at a supermarket


This was actually coming from a farmer who supplies Perdue Chicken and he owns several grain elevators so he's dialed in pretty well.

Fortunately, the ethanol plant owner here locally owns several gas stations which all supply E85 (6 within a 10 minute drive from my house). He also supplies corn to local supermarkets...so I know my ethanol fix will be satisfied, I'm just not sure at what price.


This will affect E85 prices as well as corn at your local supermarket we just don't know to what extent yet.
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2012, 10:45 AM   #76
BMWsky
Major
United_States
24
Rep
1,244
Posts

Drives: 335i
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Webster NY

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rader1 View Post
That shouldn't really be a problem. Large scale American corn farmers are paid to only produce a certain amount of corn per season to prevent over production which would drive down prices. If they need to increase production they can do it relatively quickly.

Of coarse, that's assuming there's not restrictions against increasing production to make up for a bad season. Which there probably are


It would still take at least one season so you'd still see a price spike.

Look at it this way, who do you think will get the first crack at the supply; farmers using it for feed for livestock used for food... or gas pumps?
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2012, 11:09 AM   #77
rader1
Banned
68
Rep
2,197
Posts

Drives: Cobb Stage 2+ 135i
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Roanoke, VA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMWsky View Post
It would still take at least one season so you'd still see a price spike.

Look at it this way, who do you think will get the first crack at the supply; farmers using it for feed for livestock used for food... or gas pumps?
Very good points.
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2012, 11:17 AM   #78
BMWsky
Major
United_States
24
Rep
1,244
Posts

Drives: 335i
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Webster NY

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rader1 View Post
Very good points.
Hopefully (if there is a shortage) it will be shortlived. If not, I'll rely on my friend to allow me to stockpile a bunch of the stuff I can sell on the blackmarket.
Appreciate 0
      07-29-2012, 11:13 PM   #79
neilvosko
Lieutenant Colonel
neilvosko's Avatar
United_States
89
Rep
1,529
Posts

Drives: 335i e92 FBO
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: miami

iTrader: (19)

Quote:
Originally Posted by new2the3
Quote:
Originally Posted by benzy89 View Post
Regular pump gas contains ~15% ethanol, E85 should be ~85% (hence the 85)
Key word "should" ... but in reality it might be as low as 70% ethanol rather than 85%. Does your pump have the same notice?
Yep same here.... 70@e85 + 93 reg = 99 octane at 50/50 blend with a total of 40% ethanol. N
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2012, 01:35 AM   #80
Sick335
Major
United_States
88
Rep
1,174
Posts

Drives: 335i / X6M
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Woodland Hills, CA

iTrader: (2)

After reading every comment i wish i knew there was an E85 gas station 10 miles from me, would have saved a ton of money on 9$ per gallon race fuel... And if you have 15 minutes, you can save a ton of money by switching to Geico! Off to Santa Monica to fill up tomorrow!!!

Question: Can i bring a few 5 gallon tanks with me, fill them up, and keep them in my garage for when i need to mix? As i understand its pretty flamable, but i will keep it in cool conditions and isolated.
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2012, 07:04 AM   #81
spool twice
Rainbow Racer
spool twice's Avatar
United_States
994
Rep
2,536
Posts

Drives: BMW M4cs
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Tampa Bay, FL Area

iTrader: (7)

Garage List
2019 M4cs  [0.00]
Has anyone tried VP Racing C85 ethanol fuel? Suppose to be a proper 85% mix instead of playing the guessing game along with lubricant's to prevent the toll ethanol can possibly take on the fuel system with any rubber parts or possibly reduction on the absorption of water in the fuel system.

I'm glad the filling station for my E85 is a guy who 100% supports this fuel and know's this fuel like the back of his hand as he's done research and experiments on this fuel on his own shop car; makes me more inclined to trust him that it's a proper E85% mix.
__________________
-Loe P.-
Prior Car:'14 Audi S5 3.0t DSG [ APR ECU/TCU | Pullies + basic bolt-on mods | 10.861@127.90mph ]
Current Car: F82 M4cs | TT-RS | On Order: i4 M50
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2012, 09:33 AM   #82
VNeBLOB42
Lieutenant Colonel
VNeBLOB42's Avatar
United_States
50
Rep
1,677
Posts

Drives: 14' GMC Terrain SLT-2
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Folsom, Ca

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
007 335i E92  [7.66]
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaferTrans View Post
After reading every comment i wish i knew there was an E85 gas station 10 miles from me, would have saved a ton of money on 9$ per gallon race fuel... And if you have 15 minutes, you can save a ton of money by switching to Geico! Off to Santa Monica to fill up tomorrow!!!

Question: Can i bring a few 5 gallon tanks with me, fill them up, and keep them in my garage for when i need to mix? As i understand its pretty flamable, but i will keep it in cool conditions and isolated.
From what I have heard but never experienced, ethanol can begin to attracted moisture and separate after a long period of time. So I guess if you don't let it sit for a while you should be ok.
__________________

SOLD:: PTF Pro eTune by Dzenno / COBB S1+ E50
Alpina B3 Flash / ETS FMIC / ER CP / CPE DCI
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2012, 09:34 AM   #83
VNeBLOB42
Lieutenant Colonel
VNeBLOB42's Avatar
United_States
50
Rep
1,677
Posts

Drives: 14' GMC Terrain SLT-2
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Folsom, Ca

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
007 335i E92  [7.66]
Quote:
Originally Posted by spool twice View Post
Has anyone tried VP Racing C85 ethanol fuel? Suppose to be a proper 85% mix instead of playing the guessing game along with lubricant's to prevent the toll ethanol can possibly take on the fuel system with any rubber parts or possibly reduction on the absorption of water in the fuel system.

I'm glad the filling station for my E85 is a guy who 100% supports this fuel and know's this fuel like the back of his hand as he's done research and experiments on this fuel on his own shop car; makes me more inclined to trust him that it's a proper E85% mix.
Never heard of it, where can you get it?
__________________

SOLD:: PTF Pro eTune by Dzenno / COBB S1+ E50
Alpina B3 Flash / ETS FMIC / ER CP / CPE DCI
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2012, 11:50 AM   #84
benzy89
Banned
United_States
79
Rep
2,396
Posts

Drives: '08 E90 335i
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Northern NJ

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [7.50]
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaferTrans View Post
Question: Can i bring a few 5 gallon tanks with me, fill them up, and keep them in my garage for when i need to mix? As i understand its pretty flamable, but i will keep it in cool conditions and isolated.
Make sure it's stored in a tank that's airtight -- If you have a bad seal that's letting air in, that's when you need to worry about the E85 absorbing moisture. Everyone needs to remember that once temps drop into the 50* range, you should stop putting E85 in your tank since it's more likely to absorb water moisture as it gets colder (and if there's enough water moisture in your tank & it's cold out, it won't evaporate out & could hydrolock your engine -- FTL )
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2012, 12:03 PM   #85
mrbillytalent
Lieutenant
17
Rep
575
Posts

Drives: '99 e46 323i & '07 e90 335i
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toledo OH

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by benzy89 View Post
could hydrolock your engine
I've heard this is bad.
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2012, 04:19 PM   #86
Sick335
Major
United_States
88
Rep
1,174
Posts

Drives: 335i / X6M
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Woodland Hills, CA

iTrader: (2)

But in hotter conditions you think it'll be ok?

Quote:
Originally Posted by benzy89 View Post
Make sure it's stored in a tank that's airtight -- If you have a bad seal that's letting air in, that's when you need to worry about the E85 absorbing moisture. Everyone needs to remember that once temps drop into the 50* range, you should stop putting E85 in your tank since it's more likely to absorb water moisture as it gets colder (and if there's enough water moisture in your tank & it's cold out, it won't evaporate out & could hydrolock your engine -- FTL )
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2012, 04:28 PM   #87
benzy89
Banned
United_States
79
Rep
2,396
Posts

Drives: '08 E90 335i
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Northern NJ

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [7.50]
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaferTrans View Post
But in hotter conditions you think it'll be ok?
In the hot it's the same as storing gasoline -- Cool, shaded environment with low moisture. Moisture is really the dangerous variable b/c the E85 could absorb it.

I store it in a 5 gallon jug, in my garage out of direct sunlight. It's nice and cool, prob max ~70* which is fine.
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2012, 06:03 PM   #88
VNeBLOB42
Lieutenant Colonel
VNeBLOB42's Avatar
United_States
50
Rep
1,677
Posts

Drives: 14' GMC Terrain SLT-2
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Folsom, Ca

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
007 335i E92  [7.66]
Quote:
Originally Posted by benzy89 View Post
In the hot it's the same as storing gasoline -- Cool, shaded environment with low moisture. Moisture is really the dangerous variable b/c the E85 could absorb it.

I store it in a 5 gallon jug, in my garage out of direct sunlight. It's nice and cool, prob max ~70* which is fine.
Awesome info, thanks for sharing.
__________________

SOLD:: PTF Pro eTune by Dzenno / COBB S1+ E50
Alpina B3 Flash / ETS FMIC / ER CP / CPE DCI
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
e85, ethanol, n54

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:03 PM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST