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Road and Track compares E90 to F30
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07-02-2013, 05:37 PM | #67 |
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07-02-2013, 06:15 PM | #69 |
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is there a web link to this article? or can someone scan it & post the pic of it?
its sad for e90 owners from the other side of the world who can't read this article Thanks.. |
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Source: SAE Technical Paper Series 2007-01-1560 BMW High Precision Fuel Injection Conjunction with Twin-Turbo Technology: a Combination for Maximum Dynamic and High Fuel Efficiency Cristoph Luttermann and Werner Mährle BMW Group Another point to note is that modern turbo engines make torque at low RPM than NA engines, allowing "taller" gearing to be used which improves fuel efficiency. The 335i N54/N55 and M3 S62 make nearly the same torque. The M3 with S62 uses shorter gearing, taking advantage of its higher redline. But the N54 powered 335i gets substantially better fuel economy.
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07-03-2013, 06:12 AM | #71 | |
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07-03-2013, 10:43 AM | #72 |
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NTempo is correct: I read what he had read about BMW's reasons (read: excuses) for going double VANOS instead of valvetronic.
The truth was probably a mix of the above (valvetronic wouldn't bring as much to the table under boost conditions) and the fact that it would be difficult to make valvetronic work well under high RPM conditions with a turbo motor. Obviously they managed, hence the N55 2013 335i.
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07-04-2013, 07:00 AM | #75 |
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I agree - it's like BMW set out with mantra - let's try to make a car like everyone else. It doesn't feel BMW special. If anyone cross shops these against the C class, which is a common occurrence, no one buys the BMW.
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07-04-2013, 07:32 AM | #76 | |
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Now having read the article, for the life of me I don't understand why R&T didn't compare the E90 with a sport package to the F30 with the sport package (and adaptive suspension). Chassis setup-wize it wasn't a fair comparison, and the writer still liked the E90 better. For some reason they then independently get in a sport-package E90 after the test and claim the E90 is hands-down the winner. Not sure why they even bothered writing the article in the first place. |
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07-04-2013, 10:40 PM | #77 | |
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But I think one can compare non sport e90 vs spot f30 - just do not turn f30 sport mode on. I.e. - do not press the button. And that's my biggest complaint regarding f30 - it's not sports car. It's sports gadget. |
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07-05-2013, 07:51 AM | #78 | |
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non-adaptive M Sport suspension is 0.4 inch lower larger anti-roll bars firmer shocks and dampers [edit] Sorry...it looks like the car in the article has the adaptive M Sport suspension and not the one offered on sport line Last edited by Wrngway; 07-05-2013 at 07:56 AM.. |
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07-05-2013, 09:54 PM | #79 |
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Let's set the record straight: the f30 is a very very good performing sports sedan. It just doesn't have the same driver's-car feel as the last gen.
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07-05-2013, 10:21 PM | #80 |
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I let magazines make all my decisions for me. I need to buy the car that coincides with whatever opinion some 100k per year journalist publishes. Yes, that is what I need to do to increase my manhood. And..next year if they love a different car, I will trade mine in so that I fall in line with their opinion! Dear god I want I be loved.
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07-06-2013, 08:55 AM | #81 | |
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Buying a car is a lot like buying loudspeakers, buy what YOU like, not what some magazine edidiot likes. |
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07-06-2013, 08:56 AM | #82 |
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07-06-2013, 12:53 PM | #83 |
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Just had a '13 328i loaner and couldn't get back in my E90 328i fast enough. It felt so generic, almost like driving my fiancés '13 Accord Sport. It's a nice car, but too much electronic involvement in the driving experience. Steering feels too easy and the interior is junk.
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07-08-2013, 02:26 AM | #84 | |
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07-08-2013, 12:49 PM | #87 |
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I've yet to drive the F30, but I haven't heard much good about it. I really hate the longer front overhang and upright pedestrian-friendly grille. My neighbor, who has an '08 335i but doesn't know a ton about cars, recently drove one when her fuel pump went out. She said she hated it and told the sales guy he was out of her mind if he thought she'd ever "trade up".
It's so bad that even consumer reports, while revieing the new Lexus IS, said it didn't compare to a real drivers car such as "...the previous generation 3-series..." LOL- no mention of the F30. I hear Audi's are getting more fun to drive, and they're also sorting out reliability. That'll be where I look when the time comes. |
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07-16-2013, 05:08 AM | #88 |
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Wow disappointing reviews on the new F30. After all these years I think BMW is no longer the "benchmark" for sports sedan. When it's time to upgrade, I will either get into a LCI E90 or any other last generation BMW.. Maybe it's a good time to venture out on the Audi side lol.
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