[wrickem]

Originally Posted by noro

Real BMWs are RWD... let the fight begin...

Begin? Man, it's never ending!

[jopa489]

Originally Posted by noro

Real BMWs are RWD... let the fight begin...

I agree and would greatly prefer RWD. But my E90 is a daily driver and for this climate, xDrive is just plain handy.

[DJKhan85]

every week or so, someone will post xdrive or not. All the RWD guys will say xdrive isn't needed and all the AWD guys will say you'll burn in a flaming pile of wreckage if the surface isn't perfectly flat, smooth, and as dry as the desert.

The majority of cars are fwd. I don't see the mass mayhem on the side of the road that some would have you believe. Yes AWD puts power down nicely. Yes it's nice to have those other 2 wheels moving(when one isn't slipping as it has 2 OPEN diffs).

Not many people live out in the wild wilderness(especially BMW drivers) where no one plows a road. Chances are also that if someone looked outside and saw something like that, they wouldn't be driving anyways.

I do not need awd where I live and work.

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by noro

Real BMWs are RWD... let the fight begin...

Damn, I'm paying $600/month for a forgery. This sucks. O'well, at least when I'm driving around the RWD A$$hat in the middle of the road installing chains, I can laugh at the thought of what is "real".

[Schmed]

Tires, tires, tires.

I can barely get out of my pool-table flat, snow-covered driveway with my stock tires. With snow tires, I have yet to get stuck in 6 years of driving my RWD Bimmers. Blizzards. Mountain passes. Ice. Rain. 12+ ski days per year.

But... buy what you want.

(just don't claim you "need" AWD unless you live at the end of some steep, 12% grade road. )

[Schmed]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

Damn, I'm paying $600/month for a forgery. This sucks. O'well, at least when I'm driving around the RWD A$$hat in the middle of the road installing chains, I can laugh at the thought of what is "real".

"Sierra Mountains" gives you a free pass.

Anywhere that measures snowfall in FEET rather than inches means AWD is a must (unless you got some 4WD backup vehicle).

[noro]

Ok, now we starting to act more like The E90Post!

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by Schmed

"Sierra Mountains" gives you a free pass.

Anywhere that measures snowfall in FEET rather than inches means AWD is a must (unless you got some 4WD backup vehicle).

Thanks - I like free passes. I got them here for the whole family this year:

http://www.skialpine.com/

[BMW335iOn18s]

No, NEVER! A x-drive bmw sedan (suv is another story) is not a true bmw. it doesnt feel like one (acceleration), it doesnt handle like one(much worse suspension IMO), and the fact that it sits really high makes it look very ugly. The Xi suspension is neither comfortable or sporty..its harsh for no reason..IMO.

[deletedelete]

What kinda of crazy stuck up douche bags post on these forums?! BMWs with awd arent true BMWs?!?! Um, yes they are, lol. I guarantee that I could outdrive most of the rwd guys who posted in this thread. What a bunch of fanboys! This isnt a videogames forum. My xi has gotten me places that the rwd guys couldnt make even with snow tires.

[Nikolas]

Poww!

[noro]

Originally Posted by Prowess Symphony

What kinda of crazy stuck up douche bags post on these forums?! BMWs with awd arent true BMWs?!?! Um, yes they are, lol. I guarantee that I could outdrive most of the rwd guys who posted in this thread. What a bunch of fanboys! This isnt a videogames forum. My xi has gotten me places that the rwd guys couldnt make even with snow tires.

Sorry I offended you, but it's true.

-The crazy stuck up douche bag.

[jaguar36]

It's pretty simple for in the snow, AWD + Snows > RWD + Snows > AWD with All season > RWD with All season.

The choice then just becomes how much snow go power do you need? For most people RWD + snows is plenty, and lugging around the extra weight is a waste. But if you don't want to deal with snow tires, then AWD is better. As for handling, and performance, none of us are good enough drivers for the height or launching differences to really matter. If you trying to get one or the other for better performance, a driving course would do far more to improve your performance than either.

Personaly I like the look and feel of the RWD cars better.

[markinva]

Originally Posted by Prowess Symphony

What kinda of crazy stuck up douche bags post on these forums?! BMWs with awd arent true BMWs?!?! Um, yes they are, lol. I guarantee that I could outdrive most of the rwd guys who posted in this thread. What a bunch of fanboys! This isnt a videogames forum. My xi has gotten me places that the rwd guys couldnt make even with snow tires.

apparantly some think that in order to be a true BMW you have to have inadequate traction and an inferior drivetrain! Ah... the ultimate driving machine... complete with suprise oversteer that is attacked by a flickering dsc light, unexpected fishtailing, the good ole try to start in the rain at a stop light and get tire chatter that makes your car feel like a camaro... and in the snow... well there I suppose it's just the ultimate parking machine

that guy noro posts in every thread about xdrive... loves to incite crap by saying that it's not a real BMW.

He, like others, are just jealous... they know 4 wheels providing traction is simply better than 2.

[noro]

Slam!, now I am a jealous crazy stuck up douche bag.

I believe I have my new signature

[Derek Zoolander]

xDrive + KW V1s + snow tires makes me look forward to driving in the snow.
If I wasn't living in the north east, of course I wouldn't get xDrive.
It gives a great safety advantage as well as piece of mind for 5 months of the year.

[NoSurrender]

Rear wheel drive all the way. Unless you live in an area where its constantly snowing.

[Cosa Nostra]

Originally Posted by John 070

Ask a BMW professional driver (I did in late '05 when the E90 330i first came out), and there is a right and wrong answer. Put it this way, in Fall '05 the xi's were not out yet, and the driver told me I was driving the right answer, with the wrong answer coming next year.

Finally someone who answered the key question: "RWD + snow tires" is better than "AWD + all-season tires". Kudos to "you" and to "Jaguar36"! If you are on a budget (and who isn't if you're driving the ultimate driving, and ergo expensive, machine) snow tires and rims cost only $1,500 CAD whereas x-drive costs $2,500 CAD (albeit arguably say ~50% less if the car is leased depending on residual %). Definitely an advantage of x-drive is ability to avoid hassle of changing from all-season to winter tires each season, albeit not for reduced safety (that RWD + snow tires gives). Hence, doesn't make sense to get x-drive except in harsh winter climates (unlike here in Toronto).

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by Greg007

Finally someone who answered the key question: "RWD + snow tires" is better than "AWD + all-season tires". Kudos to "you" and to "Jaguar36" for answering the question!

For stopping and turning only. If you are going up a hill, the AWD with AS will still have the advantage. If the RWD has an LSD it would help, but gaining traction at the two ends of the car will always get it moving faster and make going up hills easier even when equipped with AS. Now going downhill, turning and braking the tires do more than the drivetrain.

[markinva]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

For stopping and turning only. If you are going up a hill, the AWD with AS will still have the advantage. If the RWD has an LSD it would help, but gaining traction at the two ends of the car will always get it moving faster and make going up hills easier even when equipped with AS. Now going downhill, turning and braking the tires do more than the drivetrain.

agreed. for traction from a stop... or even just trying to accelerate, awd with all seasons trumps rwd with snows. This has been demonstrated in tests, but is easily evidenced in a quick drive. A rwd car with snows still can get stuck easier than an awd car with a/s tires.

[DJKhan85]

Originally Posted by markinva

apparantly some think that in order to be a true BMW you have to have inadequate traction and an inferior drivetrain! Ah... the ultimate driving machine... complete with suprise oversteer that is attacked by a flickering dsc light, unexpected fishtailing, the good ole try to start in the rain at a stop light and get tire chatter that makes your car feel like a camaro... and in the snow... well there I suppose it's just the ultimate parking machine

that guy noro posts in every thread about xdrive... loves to incite crap by saying that it's not a real BMW.

He, like others, are just jealous... they know 4 wheels providing traction is simply better than 2.

Call me when the m3,m5 come in awd. I'm just throwing gas on the fire

[Derek Zoolander]

RWD = sports car handling
AWD = practical, all-season use
FWD = wrong wheel drive