[The X Men]

Originally Posted by CAPSGOD

It was badged as 3.2 but displacement was actually 3.1L.

3.123 liter to be exactly, Audi just rounded it up.

[fireline43]

Originally Posted by 335BBS

Combination of things. I miss quattro and didnt like xi. Everyone notices my 335 and I prefer being more invisible. I debadged my B7S4 and got it in silver so the silver mirrors wouldn't stand out. Most just thought it was and A4. I've almost lost confidence in this car with all the weird little things that have gone wrong. I realize that I could have similar issues with Audi but I haven't so far. This is a great car and had I gotten MT (first AT in 36 yrs) I might be thinking differently. I'm not a BMW person.

I agree with you. I hate standing out (in a bad way) to most people.

[vince217]

in my experience, reliability is just about the same so far. i sold my 96 A4 at almost 150k miles (no major problems), and i hope to do the same with my x3 and 328i.

[QUiKSR20]

Originally Posted by vince217

in my experience, reliability is just about the same so far. i sold my 96 A4 at almost 150k miles (no major problems), and i hope to do the same with my x3 and 328i.

I have never owned an Audi per say but I have many VW's and they are the same ( Jetta VR6 / Jetta 1.8t / Jetta 2.0 / Passat 1.8t )
etc.The 2.0 and VR6 were pretty good mechanically but other things broke alot like gloveboxes / center consoles / coil packs / )
oh and Check engines lights all the time. ( more or less just annoyances )

Id say Audi / VW are the worst of the Euro cars by far ( they may have improved my exp lies in cars from 2000-2006 ).
I loved the design of the cars and I loved driving them but they drove me to pull my hair out.

Anyone who owns one at my job and there is many of them all share the same opinion my ( audi/vw ) is a piece of crap reliability wise.
These arent car junkies these are just everyday people driving there cars.

My VR6 was a fun car regardless & My 328 has been rock solid.. German cars are fun to drive but you cannot maintain them like you would a Honda or Toyota.

If they require something at 40k miles do it at 35k where as in a Honda if its due at 40k you could prob get away with doing it at 70k miles..

German cars can be very enjoyable just have to pay more attention to the maintenance if you do they will reward you.. Id say Audi/BMW are the most sporting euros
MB reminds me of Lexus ( BORING ).

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by QUiKSR20

I have never owned an Audi per say but I have many VW's and they are the same ( Jetta VR6 / Jetta 1.8t / Jetta 2.0 / Passat 1.8t )
etc.The 2.0 and VR6 were pretty good mechanically but other things broke alot like gloveboxes / center consoles / coil packs / )
oh and Check engines lights all the time. ( more or less just annoyances )

Id say Audi / VW are the worst of the Euro cars by far ( they may have improved my exp lies in cars from 2000-2006 ).
I loved the design of the cars and I loved driving them but they drove me to pull my hair out.

Anyone who owns one at my job and there is many of them all share the same opinion my ( audi/vw ) is a piece of crap reliability wise.
These arent car junkies these are just everyday people driving there cars.

My VR6 was a fun car regardless & My 328 has been rock solid.. German cars are fun to drive but you cannot maintain them like you would a Honda or Toyota.

If they require something at 40k miles do it at 35k where as in a Honda if its due at 40k you could prob get away with doing it at 70k miles..

German cars can be very enjoyable just have to pay more attention to the maintenance if you do they will reward you.. Id say Audi/BMW are the most sporting euros
MB reminds me of Lexus ( BORING ).

You sound very knowledgeable for a guy that has never owned an Audi. The cars you mentioned shared an engine (or 2) with Aidi and thats about it. They did have a BIG coil problem about 8-10 yrs ago. Dealers were taking coils out of unsold new cars to keep customers happy. They have sold thousands of cars and maybe your pals have had bad ones. I never have and I've had 5. I bet you would say Japanese are the most reliable? Toyota just recalled 7.3 million of them today. Every manuf is going to have issues.

[The X Men]

[QUOTE=QUiKSR20;12817984]I have never owned an Audi per say but I have many VW's and they are the same ( Jetta VR6 / Jetta 1.8t / Jetta 2.0 / Passat 1.8t )

[QUOTE]

Thats like saying " I have never owned an BMW per say but I have many Minis and they are the same "

[335BBS]

[QUOTE=The X Men;12819018][QUOTE=QUiKSR20;12817984]I have never owned an Audi per say but I have many VW's and they are the same ( Jetta VR6 / Jetta 1.8t / Jetta 2.0 / Passat 1.8t )

Thats like saying " I have never owned an BMW per say but I have many Minis and they are the same "

Sort of what I was thinking.

[Meeni]

[QUOTE=335BBS;12819044][QUOTE=The X Men;12819018]

Originally Posted by QUiKSR20

I have never owned an Audi per say but I have many VW's and they are the same ( Jetta VR6 / Jetta 1.8t / Jetta 2.0 / Passat 1.8t )



Sort of what I was thinking.

The 1.8T and 2.0T found in VW and Audi are strictly similar. The I4 1.4-1.6 and 1.8 engines from the Mini are very different from the 3L inline 6 on our bmws

[QUiKSR20]

Originally Posted by Meeni

The 1.8T and 2.0T found in VW and Audi are strictly similar. The I4 1.4-1.6 and 1.8 engines from the Mini are very different from the 3L inline 6 on our bmws

EXACTLY my point! I wasnt trying to talk trash with no exp.

Golf/Jetta/ 2.0t = Same as Audi A4 / TT ( A4 is longitude setup but same )
Golf/Jetta 2.5 = Same as TTRS ( RS is beefed up but same basic platform

Older A4 / Passat ( same chassis / same engines )

New Passat has less in common but still alot of the same stuff ( on stretched Jetta chassis now ).

Lots of blended tech ( engines and chassis )

Originally Posted by QUiKSR20

I have never owned an Audi per say but I have many VW's and they are the same ( Jetta VR6 / Jetta 1.8t / Jetta 2.0 / Passat 1.8t )

Sort of what I was thinking.

Sorry guys your right I probably should of mentioned that Ive worked on numerous VW's & Audi's over the years if you ever owned a VW/Audi
you would know scene and events are usually blended together. IE all shows / race events are for both MFR's as well as the people that own them.

And yes all mfr's have there issues but most owners of VW/Audi's share the same feeling and the best part about it is the members on there forums are usually
in denial and say stuff like you mentioned " All cars have problems " Bla bla bla even people on this forum say the same.

Again I love my BMW and I love German cars but people on here as well as say VWVORTEX ( one of the bigger audi/vwforums )
are scared to even purchase one without warranty. Pretty good confidence right there.

Head over the Infinity / Lexus forums and do a search on warranty you will find almost no posts warranty does not come up nearly as much as a purchasing factor.

My good friend who is a mechanic for a VW/Audi/Honda dealer would say we see the VW/Audis 10-1 for problems vs the Hondas. So while I
love my BMW and enjoyed my VW for the most part to say all cars have problems and rank them the same in the respect is just flat out wrong.

So sorry if I came off as not knowing much or ignorant but im very familiar with Audi's and cars in general and work part time in a race engine
shop + have been into the import drag racing scene for over 15 years.

[QUiKSR20]

I'd say most German cars require you to pay more attention to the maintenance cycles but if you do they reward you with an awesome exp..

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by Dark_Knight_335

That is surprising- I usually hear good reports on the reliability of Infiniti and Lexus. After all, they are a Nissan and Toyota respectively.

Japanese and America cars rust like crazy, Germans dont.....all cars have some sort of problems....

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by QUiKSR20

EXACTLY my point! I wasnt trying to talk trash with no exp.

Golf/Jetta/ 2.0t = Same as Audi A4 / TT ( A4 is longitude setup but same )
Golf/Jetta 2.5 = Same as TTRS ( RS is beefed up but same basic platform

Older A4 / Passat ( same chassis / same engines )

New Passat has less in common but still alot of the same stuff ( on stretched Jetta chassis now ).

Lots of blended tech ( engines and chassis )



Sorry guys your right I probably should of mentioned that Ive worked on numerous VW's & Audi's over the years if you ever owned a VW/Audi
you would know scene and events are usually blended together. IE all shows / race events are for both MFR's as well as the people that own them.

And yes all mfr's have there issues but most owners of VW/Audi's share the same feeling and the best part about it is the members on there forums are usually
in denial and say stuff like you mentioned " All cars have problems " Bla bla bla even people on this forum say the same.

Again I love my BMW and I love German cars but people on here as well as say VWVORTEX ( one of the bigger audi/vwforums )
are scared to even purchase one without warranty. Pretty good confidence right there.

Head over the Infinity / Lexus forums and do a search on warranty you will find almost no posts warranty does not come up nearly as much as a purchasing factor.

My good friend who is a mechanic for a VW/Audi/Honda dealer would say we see the VW/Audis 10-1 for problems vs the Hondas. So while I
love my BMW and enjoyed my VW for the most part to say all cars have problems and rank them the same in the respect is just flat out wrong.

So sorry if I came off as not knowing much or ignorant but im very familiar with Audi's and cars in general and work part time in a race engine
shop + have been into the import drag racing scene for over 15 years.

Check around here. EVERYONE says DON'T buy a 335 out of warranty. You were talking about 1 motor ,that has won many awards, that was shared between VW and Audi. Can you explain to me how I have had 5 Audis with virtually no problems? My 323ci was problem free but 335 is not.

[QUiKSR20]

Originally Posted by 335BBS

Check around here. EVERYONE says DON'T buy a 335 out of warranty. You were talking about 1 motor ,that has won many awards, that was shared between VW and Audi. Can you explain to me how I have had 5 Audis with virtually no problems? My 323ci was problem free but 335 is not.

Cannot explain so sorry maybe you have a good one, Im not here to argue but the usually consensus is quite the opposite when I was into them maybe it has changed in the last 6 years.
It just seemed to be tons of check engine lights. Correct mostly the 335's are the warranty posts my 328 has been rock solid but I maintain it like an enthusiast unlike the general buyers.

Back to the original topic I think BMW is the most reliable German MFR

[Meeni]

I'm not under the impression that the BMW cars are especially problematic. All cars have their glitch. Interior material cracks in many Honda. The 335 has the turbo rattle, the N52 is plagued with small but many glitches, hell, the porches tend to chew on cranckshafts and fail catastrophically - that, is serious problem here. Some Citroen cars were notoriously bad for electric (rear hatch opening itself while driving, great...), and even some japanese are problematic (some Corolla from 04 where indicated as "stay clear and run" on C&D when I checked for a friend...).

The thing is not really that the car is unreliable, the problem is that minor repairs have insane prices, parts are expensive, and work hours even more. Anything that breaks is already 700 dollars. The same thing that breaks on a Toyota is 250, under the pain threshold.

[ndog14]

Originally Posted by QUiKSR20

Cannot explain so sorry maybe you have a good one, Im not here to argue but the usually consensus is quite the opposite when I was into them maybe it has changed in the last 6 years.
It just seemed to be tons of check engine lights. Correct mostly the 335's are the warranty posts my 328 has been rock solid but I maintain it like an enthusiast unlike the general buyers.

Back to the original topic I think BMW is the most reliable German MFR

The owner of one of the indy shops I go to says that until late BMWs are the best european car brands to buy. He hasn't seen many newer Mercs but VW group products are, in his mind, still not as good as BMW but Merc has surpassed the blue&white. He refuses to work on Saabs and he doesn't get any Volvos as there is a Volvo specialist in the area.

^ talking about reliability, the comment about Saabs is because parts are so damn hard to find and expensive (wish BMW bought Saab, epicness right there)

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by ndog14

The owner of one of the indy shops I go to says that until late BMWs are the best european car brands to buy. He hasn't seen many newer Mercs but VW group products are, in his mind, still not as good as BMW but Merc has surpassed the blue&white. He refuses to work on Saabs and he doesn't get any Volvos as there is a Volvo specialist in the area.

^ talking about reliability, the comment about Saabs is because parts are so damn hard to find and expensive (wish BMW bought Saab, epicness right there)

SAAB is a shitbox, earlier models were pretty good....BMW usually makes strong quality engines and trannys......electronics are still painful. All depends what you want to buy, I would prefer BMW with 100k+ miles over an Audi, but new or slightly used it makes no difference.

you would be suprised how unreliable Hondas, Fords, and some GM cars are.....at 100k miles prepare to spend $2000-3000 for new tranny and other crap. Its almost never the case with Germans

[QUiKSR20]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

SAAB is a shitbox, earlier models were pretty good....BMW usually makes strong quality engines and trannys......electronics are still painful. All depends what you want to buy, I would prefer BMW with 100k+ miles over an Audi, but new or slightly used it makes no difference.

you would be suprised how unreliable Hondas, Fords, and some GM cars are.....at 100k miles repair to spend $2000-3000 for new tranny and other crap. Its almost never the case with Germans

I think Saab w/ its classic heritage could of been good in the right hands but yeah as they were they weren't at the top of anyones list.

[scflaw]

My audi didn't have any engine problems but i did get some blown lights and some interior radio trims coming loose. Aside from that it was a champ!

My friends audi didn't fare the same, coilpack issues, differential leaks, transmission leaks etc.

I hate audizine forums though, they seem to be frequented by stuck up pricks. I got negative feedback for pointing out somebody that was typing while intoxicated. VW vortex has some pretty cool enthusiasts though.

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by scflaw

My audi didn't have any engine problems but i did get some blown lights and some interior radio trims coming loose. Aside from that it was a champ!

My friends audi didn't fare the same, coilpack issues, differential leaks, transmission leaks etc.

I hate audizine forums though, they seem to be frequented by stuck up pricks. I got negative feedback for pointing out somebody that was typing while intoxicated. VW vortex has some pretty cool enthusiasts though.

You don't spend much time HERE do you?

[picho21]

Originally Posted by BMW335icoupe

It seems like you always here about how reliable the A4s and A6s are but never about the 335i. So are they reliable.

In terms of reliability I'd have to go with Audi, from my experience. I have an E46 330i which has never caused me any trouble and it still runs like a charm after 160,000 km. But I've had a lot of issues with my wife's F25 X3 30d gear lever, and my E92 335i, which is in fact right now sitting at the dealership after 5000 km with a problem they can't identify and it won't start up. My other car is a 09 Audi A3 which has never given me any issues at all...I love BMWs but they are really starting to get on my nerve with all the trouble I've been having with these two cars...which by the way were bought on april and may this year.

[edirtaynine]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

All European have same shitty reliability

pretty much.

[edirtaynine]

Originally Posted by scflaw

I hate audizine forums though, they seem to be frequented by stuck up pricks.

Originally Posted by 335BBS

You don't spend much time HERE do you?

seriously. both forums have a big group of fanboys who think their brand is the best fucking car in the whole world and will try to justify it to the bitter end.