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09-02-2008, 08:28 PM | #177 |
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If the vehicle were hand made, I would agree with this. But automated manufacturering is different. The location is basically irrelevant when the PLM is conducted in Germany.
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09-03-2008, 12:02 PM | #178 | |
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09-03-2008, 12:20 PM | #179 |
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I don't see what the big deal is. BMW has been manufacturing the X's and Z's in South Carolina for years and they do not seem to have suffered for it.
The big downside for me would be no European delivery.
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09-03-2008, 03:23 PM | #180 | |
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The second one, a 2005 made in Canada I guess, was a lot less than impressive. The car makes a god awful buzzing noise at highway speeds (something in the engine room is vibrating as the car gain speed), there are rust spots everywhere and one of the window regulators work intermittently. All this on a car less than 4 years old and around 60,000 km... Also, there's the feel of the car. The older one, despite being smaller and being crashed twice, still felt surprisingly solid. The 2005 feels... well... flimsy... (although, this could be distorted as I'm used to my BMW... which still feels solid as a rock at 9 years old). I know a fair bit about manufacturing processes and I realize that the process design is much more important than the workers. The factories in Germany are mostly automated anyways, so if they bring in the same equipment, there shouldn't be much of a difference. Nonetheless, given my experience with my dad's Camry, I'm not happy with the prospect of getting an American build 3 series.... |
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09-03-2008, 04:09 PM | #181 | |
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09-03-2008, 04:31 PM | #182 | |
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I remember the 2001 745's there was a guy in Asia I believe, who had his car break down and die so many times he actually had a donkey pulling it through town (because it wouldnt run) to show BMW how pissed he was with it. I am going off of every reliability report over the past several years that still places Toyota at the top.
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09-03-2008, 04:31 PM | #183 | ||
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Indeed, one does not refuse to buy the X5 simply bcs it is made in the USA, does one? And I have not heard anyone say that the X5 (and the Z class as a whole) are poorer for it or less well build. The factory with the highest quality rating in the BMW universe is in fact the one located in South Africa!! Frankly I was more concerned initially when Porsche announced a factory in Leiptzig, than the announcement by BMW of US production. Oh and if we really want to freak out the Audi fan club let them know that VW is planning a factory which will build off the same line(s) VW, Audis and..............................Porsche Cayennes (Not that there is really anything wrong with that)
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09-05-2008, 10:00 AM | #184 |
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BMW has a plant in China to build the 5er for the Asian market...
It's not where the car is built...its the type of employees who put it together. The reason why most of the foreign auto makers stay out of making plants in Detroit is because of the lazy UAW and other unions. Not to say that unions are bad, but they have really brought down the big 3. Also, the SC plant is at the foremost of modern manufacturing to global standards. I can't believe some people on this post.
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09-05-2008, 10:24 AM | #186 |
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If BMW starts making cars in the USA I will either stop buying them entirely or buy the ones NOT made in the USA. Sorry but the US has sucked at making cars for quite some time now. The only way I'd consider a US built car if it's not built by a union.
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09-05-2008, 10:28 AM | #187 |
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I guess no Z4's, X3's or X5's for you then. Are you aware that BMW has been building cars in South Carolina since 1994?
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09-05-2008, 10:33 AM | #188 |
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I would rather have my car say "made in germany" rather than "made in usa"
but some cars that should be "made in usa" say "made in mexico" germany>usa>mexico |
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09-05-2008, 11:07 AM | #189 |
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If it's a BMW it will be built to exacting standards regardless of whether the factory is in the USA, RSA, FRG, CR, or RÖ.
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09-05-2008, 11:42 AM | #190 |
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09-05-2008, 11:55 AM | #191 |
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They have in fact been building here since 1994 and they are non-union. If you were to take the plant tour in Spartanburg then take a GM/Ford/Chrysler tour you would realize how absolutely ignorant your statement is.
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09-05-2008, 12:20 PM | #192 | |
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09-05-2008, 01:23 PM | #193 | |
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Yes, I'm aware. I do not intend to ever purchase a X5 but I will consider a X3 since I can do European delivery. |
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09-05-2008, 02:09 PM | #194 |
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Just anecdotal and not related to BMW but the worst vehicle I ever owned was a 1998 Mercedes ML320. IMO it was because this was Mercedes first foray into US-based mfg and a first year product - so it became the perfect storm! So just because we are talking German know how does not mean there might not be a misstep. I know this was Mercedes :-)
Have not owned one since and never will...
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09-05-2008, 02:13 PM | #195 |
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Then why did you begin your statement with, "If BMW starts making cars in the USA?"
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09-05-2008, 02:13 PM | #196 |
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09-05-2008, 02:28 PM | #197 |
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Wow, do you think some of you guys can watch your language so I don't have to edit 300 different posts, thanks.
With that said, after moving to the lovely state of NC I can say that I have absolutely zero faith in the American workforce, at least from this part of the country, and I would be much more happy if they continued to build the 3'er in Germany. Yes, there are certainly exceptions, but they seem to be few and far between in all honesty.
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09-05-2008, 02:36 PM | #198 | |
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Seriously, not far up the road from you they are producing much of the countries pharmaceuticals and medical supplements all done by Americans. |
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