[iwant335i]

335i with AA Exhaust AA Intercooler JB3/V3( in your opinion ?) Power INtake from aFe RR Dp's ?

How much Hp a car like this could have what do you think ? Maybe you have a better part in mind instead of one of theese ?

[sflgator]

One word...YES. You would walk an E90/E92/E93 M3 with that setup on a 335i/135i (you would be close to or more than 400WHP / 400 lb.-ft. RWTQ with those mods).

[lucassilva]

Yes you will!

[BaLLzZz]

In a sense yes u will beat him in a line and if ur far enought ahead u can hold your own in the twisties get some coilovers and sways and ur straight but like some say an m is an m ur gunna get that alot so be usto it.

[roozie2001]

i think that not only would u walk the m3 in a straight line but u might even beat him on a track, because at that point the car has so much HP and torque that what u lack in handling you might be able to make up with just RAW power.

[LYLE LUKAS]

Would just the JB3 and a Dual cone intake hold up against the New M3 in a str8 line race??

[stimpy]

Originally Posted by LYLE LUKAS

Would just the JB3 and a Dual cone intake hold up against the New M3 in a str8 line race??

yes until you get to 115-120mph.

[uberschnell]

Originally Posted by roozie2001

i think that not only would u walk the m3 in a straight line but u might even beat him on a track, because at that point the car has so much HP and torque that what u lack in handling you might be able to make up with just RAW power.

If the M3 driver is competent then he will be able to out brake you going into the turns then out power you coming out of them.

But you would be able to out spin your inside wheel like few out there, followed by out limping him in the straights.

[nd54]

^ LOL. Well played Magna3.

[Artz 330]

Originally Posted by roozie2001

i think that not only would u walk the m3 in a straight line but u might even beat him on a track, because at that point the car has so much HP and torque that what u lack in handling you might be able to make up with just RAW power.

power is nothing without control

[MarioKart]

I'm thinking just a JB3 tune and thats it, to beat an M3 but to kill it you would need DP's and intake.

[FourPtDrift]

Originally Posted by iwant335i

335i with AA Exhaust AA Intercooler JB3/V3( in your opinion ?) Power INtake from aFe RR Dp's ?

How much Hp a car like this could have what do you think ? Maybe you have a better part in mind instead of one of theese ?

Ahem. I'm already handing the asses back to GT3s at the track. E9X M3? <Yawn> Sure.

-Daniel

[BoostedBMW]

Originally Posted by Magna3

If the M3 driver is competent then he will be able to out brake you going into the turns then out power you coming out of them.

But you would be able to out spin your inside wheel like few out there, followed by out limping him in the straights.

[FourPtDrift]

Originally Posted by Magna3

If the M3 driver is competent then he will be able to out brake you going into the turns then out power you coming out of them.

But you would be able to out spin your inside wheel like few out there, followed by out limping him in the straights.

I'm running aluminum hat, slotted 15" brembos at the front with balanced, aluminum hat, slotted 14" brembos at the rear. six piston front, four piston rear. I brake with 911 GT3's.

I DO wish I didn't have that blasted welded in place ring gear and had the LSD, but, I that's what I have. So, I adapt. I modify my driving technique to bring the power on after I've brought more of the car around the apex. And it works.

There is not just one line and there is not just one way around the track. All cars are different and the important lesson you learn from track time is how to adapt and modify not just the car, but your own driving habits.

-Daniel

[longodj]

yes that would beat an M3 in a straight line. You need to focus on your suspension/brakes if you don't want to die at the end of the straight line...

[Herms]

Originally Posted by MarioKart

I'm thinking just a JB3 tune and thats it, to beat an M3 but to kill it you would need DP's and intake.

maybe. to be honest, I think the 335 stock feels almost as fast and might be close (with my sorry ass driving the 6mt m3 that is), but point being it's close enough that the driver could make a difference and surely would be a driver's race with a well modded 335. of course, the M3 isn't fully broken in yet, so I'm basing this off normal launching and not redlining it. With the MDM and the LSD and running it to redline, the M has a distinct advantage. I find it difficult to get a great lauch on a chipped AT 335 even brake boosting as it either bogs or gets too much wheelspin.

On a decent size track though, I can't see it being close, even with a considerable power increase, unless you add lsd and serious suspension components to the 335 (I've seen a review where the Dinan 335 was fairly close but still couldn't match the M3 at the track). I'm continuously amazed by just how much faster I can go around turns and freeway ramps and the like in the M3 v the 335 without even a hint of body rolll let alone even approaching the car's limits.

Also, after driving the M3 a bit, I've realized just how amazing the engine is and how it's really made to shine at the track because the revs and flat torque curve make it so you really don't need to shift as much and the power delivery is so much smoother and more predictable, even if not as thrilling in the way the kick of the turbos feels. In any case, as someone said, the M3 will get into the turns faster and will have more immediate response and will allow you to get on the gas sooner and really allows you to use the gas to help direct the car rather than having to be aware of oversteering.

[adc]

Originally Posted by FourPtDrift

Ahem. I'm already handing the asses back to GT3s at the track. E9X M3? <Yawn> Sure.

-Daniel

Well let's see: $1.5k Procede V3, $2k KW V3, $400 sways, $5k brakes, $4k wheels/tires, $2k ? installation - and the hassle/cost of always running 100 octane. Pretty soon you'll probably throw a limited slip in there too...

You've already paid for an M3 and we haven't touched any touchy warranty issues.

And finally: are you so sure that you wouldn't do similarly in an M3 at the track? You probably already know that at this level it's almost always the driver, not the car...

[FourPtDrift]

Originally Posted by Herms

maybe. to be honest, I think the 335 stock feels almost as fast and might be close (with my sorry ass driving the 6mt m3 that is), but point being it's close enough that the driver could make a difference and surely would be a driver's race with a well modded 335. of course, the M3 isn't fully broken in yet, so I'm basing this off normal launching and not redlining it. With the MDM and the LSD and running it to redline, the M has a distinct advantage. I find it difficult to get a great lauch on a chipped AT 335 even brake boosting as it either bogs or gets too much wheelspin.

What kind of tires are you running on your 335?

On a decent size track though, I can't see it being close, even with a considerable power increase, unless you add lsd and serious suspension components to the 335 (I've seen a review where the Dinan 335 was fairly close but still couldn't match the M3 at the track).

I do not like Dinan's suspension approach. First, he starts with piss-poor rubber for the weight of the car and 2nd he permits way too much lateral movement and understeer. You simply can't turn his cars around fast enough... and that's what reviewers have found as well.

I'm continuously amazed by just how much faster I can go around turns and freeway ramps and the like in the M3 v the 335 without even a hint of body rolll let alone even approaching the car's limits.

The M3 is reasonably well sorted out.. no question about it. But there is no magic to this. My track photos show that I can carry a considerable amount of corner speed with little or no body roll and because I don't have to be concerned about greatest common denominator consumer capability considerations, I'm able to dial out even the little bit of understeer that is still present in the M3's setup.

Also, after driving the M3 a bit, I've realized just how amazing the engine is and how it's really made to shine at the track because the revs and flat torque curve make it so you really don't need to shift as much and the power delivery is so much smoother and more predictable, even if not as thrilling in the way the kick of the turbos feels. In any case, as someone said, the M3 will get into the turns faster and will have more immediate response and will allow you to get on the gas sooner and really allows you to use the gas to help direct the car rather than having to be aware of oversteering.

The power delivery in my 335 is very smooth, very consistent... and would be something I know I would miss if I moved to an M3. In fact, it is what keeps me from moving to an M3. When I can see that I can product an M3 as fast as my 335.. with the same ease and simplicity, I'll make the transition.

-Daniel

[FourPtDrift]

Originally Posted by adc

Well let's see: $1.5k Procede V3, $2k KW V3, $400 sways, $5k brakes, $4k wheels/tires, $2k ? installation - and the hassle/cost of always running 100 octane. Pretty soon you'll probably throw a limited slip in there too...

I wish the brakes cost $5K. I have the 380mm variety... try $8K, complete.

<sigh> And on the issue of the LSD. Ok. That is one thing that gets me. I've managed to adapt to driving without it, but to be fair, I would like to have one. The problem is, I'm in that limbo area where a welded ring gear may get in the way of the fun of a simple swap.

You've already paid for an M3 and we haven't touched any touchy warranty issues.

I'm doing just fine in that department, thank you very much.

BUT, you are right. And then again, when I got my car in Spring of '07... I HAD to get a car and couldn't wait. So, I made my own "M3."

And finally: are you so sure that you wouldn't do similarly in an M3 at the track? You probably already know that at this level it's almost always the driver, not the car...

You are right... and I do agree. As far as similar performance... it has to do with the track. At very large facilities such as California Speedway or even the front and back straight at Willow Springs really call upon the much greater acceleration and speed of my 335...and because I can easily match and exceed the corner speed of an M3... there's just no way an M3 would be as fast for me in those situations. Now... on shorter or more technical tracks... with the LSD... somewhat of a different story.

-Daniel

[GAaaAR]

Originally Posted by adc

Well let's see: $1.5k Procede V3, $2k KW V3, $400 sways, $5k brakes, $4k wheels/tires, $2k ? installation - and the hassle/cost of always running 100 octane. Pretty soon you'll probably throw a limited slip in there too...

You've already paid for an M3 and we haven't touched any touchy warranty issues.

And finally: are you so sure that you wouldn't do similarly in an M3 at the track? You probably already know that at this level it's almost always the driver, not the car...

$579 JB3, $2.5K Stage 3 dinan suspensions, $1K non RFT performance tires (Stock wheels), $5k Brakes (Don't know much about brakes, i'll take your word on the pricing), $1.5K installation.


I just saved 5 grand and should be considerably cheaper than a m3, especially if you factor in tax, and future gas mileage.

[adc]

Originally Posted by GAaaAR

$579 JB3, $2.5K Stage 3 dinan suspensions, $1K non RFT performance tires (Stock wheels), $5k Brakes (Don't know much about brakes, i'll take your word on the pricing), $1.5K installation.


I just saved 5 grand and should be considerably cheaper than a m3, especially if you factor in tax, and future gas mileage.

$42.5k car (sedan, sport, leather) + $11k mods = $53.5k, just $300 less than an M3 sedan. And this 335 would still not be the equal of an M3, IMO. It will still miss a limited slip and can have potentially bothersome warranty problems.

I did the math and every time it came down to this: the 335i is only worth if stock or very slightly modified (JB3 and wheels/tires). Then you take it for what it's worth - an extremely satisfying sports sedan/coupe with a superb turn of speed and decent handling.

If you mod all the way - tune, exhaust, suspension, wheels, brakes, LSD - you end up paying more than you would for an M3. And beside any warranty issues (which may or may not materialize), you most certainly won't get your money back come resale time...

JMO.

[fast_lap28]

Originally Posted by Artz 330

power is nothing without control

+1, with power you need stability (coilovers comes to mind)...they just go hand in hand