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09-02-2013, 09:00 PM | #89 |
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09-03-2013, 01:31 AM | #90 | |
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You have been exposed and given a sound spanking by a fellow forum member who's obviously far more intelligent than yourself in these matters. I guess you're now quitting again as it won't be too long before said fellow forum member looks-in and again dissects your crap!
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09-03-2013, 03:22 AM | #91 |
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Everyone knew as early as 1983 that Saddam possessed chemical weapons.
(http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...he_gassed_iran). Now some of the chems are (or were until they got used a couple weeks ago) in Syria. http://www.inquisitr.com/928699/scud...mds-from-iraq/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMD_con...try_conjecture http://www.examiner.com/article/syri...s-missing-wmds
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09-03-2013, 08:50 AM | #93 | |
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Wow i can't believe how affected some people are by my thoughts and accusations vs the US Government. Every article i have posted, everything about Guantanomo Bay and Israel/Iraq is VERIFIED, yet we still have some dick heads trying to defend that. I think we obviously have some long time patriots on here who won't accept anything but their Government is right. So this is just going to turn into some meaningless playground slanging match with people brown nosing and acting tough. Which leaves my true worries about whats happening behind. Last edited by mob17; 09-03-2013 at 09:03 AM.. |
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09-03-2013, 09:06 AM | #94 | |
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How can you not even admit the Iraq Dossier was "sexed up"? Why would you not even mention that we were lied to? How can you still be trying to defend your Government? |
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09-03-2013, 09:18 AM | #95 |
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Ok, I'll try,...
mob17 - I agree with a lot of what you've said about Syria and Iraq etc. The thing is, there's no need to keep going on about it, people get it - they are on the whole largely an intelligent lot on these here forums. But accusing people of being immature and to stfu isn't really going to help garner appreciation for your contributions... That, I think, is all that people were trying to get across to you. |
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09-03-2013, 10:43 AM | #96 | |
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I think i have been relatively calm considering i've been called paranoid, racist, mad, a lunatic, talking crap and even anti US/UK with my background questioned. All because some people don't like what i say. Sorry when someone says i got "spanked" then that does seem immature to me. |
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09-03-2013, 11:44 AM | #97 |
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Laughable really....here everyone is airing their personal views on whats best to stop the violence in Syria, but it turns nasty.
You don't have to agree with people but simply understand their point...it makes that much more or an informed individual! My take on the Syria issue...violence won't help. It will just lead to more innocent people getting killed and a rekindling of the middle east/west hatred - if it ever died down! Leaders need to find another way...thats what they been elected for! Who wants outsiders taking charge of their country? Surely a muslim lead resolution (as 1 MP suggested) is a better case scenario?! And lastly when you hold these strong opinions on world issues do you really think you know the full extent/truth of the matter to the point where you can insult, ridicule and totally dismiss someone else's opinion? One minor change in the details you assume are fact could sway your opinion completely! Im not defending anyone...just airing my 2p. I think end of the day we all agree that the situation over there is sad! |
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09-03-2013, 01:07 PM | #98 |
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So I'm aware this will add nothing to the debate however I think it's fair to say that no-one here REALLY knows what's happening in Syria. I would however think that Assad has probably used chemical weapons, banking on the fact that countries will hesitate to intervene based on the relationship he has / is perceived to have with Russia and China.
Unfortunately all nations are stuck in a very difficult situation... They act and people get angry that they acted. They don't act and the same people get angry for not intervening. And then there's the danger of displacing Assad, creating a power void within the country and Syria turning into another Egypt. Certainly not somewhere I'm planning to holiday anytime soon! |
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09-03-2013, 04:01 PM | #99 | |
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Regarding the fact that the US supplied the chemical weapons to Iraq bolsters the claim that Iraq had such things. That fact alone suggests the likelihood that each of following premises is true:
It's not my government that I'm defending. In response to your hyperbole, I offer facts, thoughts and ideas -- via inductive or deductive reasoning -- to support the claims I have made; it' is my own assertions I defend. Unlike you, I don't just toss out inflammatory remarks that I don't also support. Moreover, unlike you, I don't use logical fallacies to try to refute the claims of others.
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09-03-2013, 04:27 PM | #100 |
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People, let's agree to disagree and squash the beef. I've read through this entire thread and I personally concluded to myself that certain people are quite smart in their demeanour of discrimination.
It doesn't surprise me that some people are this way but such is life. I hate to think what is actually going on in Syria right now. I think Mob17 was quite right in voicing his thoughts. I dislike violence so that's me over and out! Peace! |
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09-03-2013, 04:47 PM | #101 | |
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Red text: ??? I don't understand what you mean. Green text: Everyone is free to air their thoughts. I have no issue with that. I do believe however that if one is airing thoughts and seeking simple replies that a poll is a better vehicle than written commentary. If one bothers to offer an opinion, one should be prepared to have it contested as well as to support one's opinion with a coherent, plausible line of reasoning. Other black text: The Syrian citizens are indeed the real losers in the situation. It is very unfortunate that they are the ones who must suffer the failings of a power hungry, control freak of a dictator like Assad. Though everyone can accept a benevolent dictator, Assad isn't one.
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09-03-2013, 04:47 PM | #102 | |
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I agree with the above. Me and tony obviously have totally opposite views and beliefs. Carrying on this debate isn't going to get us anywhere as i, nor tony, will change our beliefs. Also you can't argue with such a clearly patrotic person. In a way i'm glad we have contributed to this thread. It's not a totally one sided view, which it probably would have been, and i'm sure readers will make their own conclusions. Last edited by mob17; 09-03-2013 at 04:55 PM.. |
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09-04-2013, 03:30 AM | #103 |
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Tony, Red Text: How do you know he isn't benevolent? If your only view of him has been through the media (printed and on screen), then I suggest that might just be painting him as a power hungry control freak to suit the aims and intentions of certain governments (who could also be labelled as 'power hungry control freaks' by some).
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09-04-2013, 04:25 AM | #105 |
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But it's a country gripped by a civil war! As yet I have not seen 100% 'independent' proof that the chemical weapons were used by the legitimate government of Syria.
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09-04-2013, 05:17 AM | #107 | |
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Here are some facts: http://www.biography.com/people/bash...0878575?page=1 (Some are listed below.)
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09-04-2013, 05:29 AM | #108 | |
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Beliefs lacking logic are called faith and are the domain of religion, not political discussion. And even in religion, it's possible to prove some things. For example, it is only logical that in the Western concept of God, it's logical that there is only one God. The reason for this is that the existence of an irresistible force and the immovable object requires that there cannot be two all powerful gods. If there could be two, one could choose to that force and that would preclude the other from being simultaneously that object. Thus both could not be said to be all powerful. That, of course, says nothing about there actually being such an entity, but at least if one exists, one can be sure there is only one. There can be only one. (Highlander had that much right. )
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On searching, I found this quote, "The UN estimates more than 5,000 Syrians have been killed in the past 10 months." Not welcome at all, but as I stated previously, they are in a civil war and in wars people usually get killed. Of the 5,000 people killed, some of these will have been at the hands of the opposition - it's not all one-way. |
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