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04-28-2008, 03:35 PM | #45 |
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04-28-2008, 03:53 PM | #46 |
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Not trying to get OT, but I would check the vendors' sites for mods that you guys have installed on your cars if it bothers you. I've seen numerous pics on Morr's site of members' cars. I figure that they've asked though or it would have come up in the past.
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04-28-2008, 05:39 PM | #47 |
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Bill: That sucks indeed, as many already said he for sure is a real ass.
We'll wait and see if they'll answer, I'm awaiting one from Paul and you from Vincent. :> |
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04-28-2008, 05:45 PM | #48 |
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They are not call Iforgery for nothing....
P.S. Eisenhaus used one of my picture as well, and we all know how reputable they are...
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04-28-2008, 06:09 PM | #49 |
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Take immediate legal action, this is a case that will surely turn over in your favor, its your property for god sake it would be no different if someone stole shit off your car. Iforged boooo
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04-28-2008, 06:14 PM | #50 |
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Aside from it being illegal, unethical, and all that, I really don't get why someone using your pic would bother you. Why do you care? I don't think I'd care and that makes me think I'm missing something here. Can someone fill me in?
Edit: Oops! Scratch that - I just reread your post and realized that you are a photograhper. I read this when you first posted it but I was just skimming quickly and must have missed that - right at the beginning of your post, no less. Sorry for the schtupit question. Carry on... |
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04-28-2008, 06:20 PM | #51 |
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When your job is taking photos, its very serious. Your photos are how you make money and having someone just steal them without giving any credit feels like crap. They are essentially stealing money (photo rights) from Dejan. Getting your work published in a magazine is usually an exciting time in the career of a photographer. In this case, the photographer, got screwed and is not excited at all. It's all pretty common sense really, how is a photographer supposed to make money if companies are just stealing their photos for free?
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04-28-2008, 07:20 PM | #53 |
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Ah well Bill already answered with a good answer.
hmm I dont think there is any lawyer that is "no win, no pay" and such here in Sweden. Oh... One thing really came out great out of all of this, actually!!! I'll probably be shooting for the magazine Performance BMW, Swedish extreme BMW's that is, I've found plenty of them and the responsible for the magazine needs another photographer from Sweden that can handle and shoot the Swedish monsters, so hopefully that will work out great!!! ) funny way they discovered me tho, haha... BUT, Iforged needs to learn their lesson anyways, I'm awaiting answers still, when I've got them I'll post them! |
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04-29-2008, 11:00 PM | #54 |
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http://www.acurazine.com/forums/show...88#post5944088
Some more info on pic stealing in that thread, and the thread linked in it. |
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There may have been some misunderstanding with using the image, but we have not heard from the person to take it off. If we were told to do so, then we would've taken it off a long time ago. That picture has been up there for a long time, and no body told us to take it off. So until then, I would appreciate it if you don't make us look like vendors who "steal" photos without permission. For others that prefer your images not to be on our site, please let me know--I will be glad to take it off of our site. |
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04-30-2008, 03:33 AM | #56 | |
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the problem is you never ask to use this picture in the 1st place.... after u use it, the actual owner may not know you actually use his pictures to put it on ur website, and that is why the owner didn't ask you to take it off... edit:you said "we have not heard from the person to take it off. If we were told to do so, then we would've taken it off a long time ago. " does that mean you already have the actual permission to use that picture? If yes, you have the permission then good for you and you did the right thing If no, it doesnt matter if you take it off if the actual owner of the picture ask u to take it because you just don't have the permission to use that picture, and you are doing something wrong here. even you take the picture off after the owner ask you to.... |
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In the US, when a picture is taken then it is copyrighted to the owner, and utilizing that picture without explicit permission is illegal. You cannot take the picture, and then just take it down when somebody complains. It's like if somebody just came to **********s' warehouse, took a set of wheels, and when you guys catch them driving around with your wheels, they'll take them off and give them back to you. It's the use of the image without explicit permission that is illegal. The fact that you take it down when issued a basic cease and desist is great, but it doesn't negate the fact that it is improperly used in the first place. On top of that, the images are used for advertising and generating profit. The right thing to do would be to license the image for use on your site, or take the image off and take your own pictures.
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ask permission first, then use it... what kind of person eats somebody else's food and then asks if they can eat it? thats just stupid.
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Okay,
I will not argue with anyone on this. I've taken the image off and made sure it stays that way because we do not just steal pictures that some of you probably think we do. We haven't heard the owner of that car tell us to take it off, but honestly, I'm sick of you guys pointing fingers at me. Thanks. |
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Hey guys, we do ask for permission on each picture. (I am sure other members can attest to this, we always ask them). It's no big deal -we'll pull it off our site right now. If the owner changes his mind as well, we will take it off our site.
Thats our policy to get permission first, not sure how it could have slipped. Anyway its gone. |
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The picture is mine.....here's the original without the **********s watermark.
I was only using it as an example that pictures are taken and used by vendors, eBay, and advertisement companies all the time without asking for permission. It has happened to me a few times, but I don't mine or expect anything in return. Like I said.....I'm only using this as an example. I didn't mean to put **********s in a peculiar situation. Sorry. **********s is still one of the best vendors on E90post.
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and to **********s. if your truely not doing anything wrong--as in your asking your customers if you can use their pictures... then why worry?
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if you have the permission to use it, then thats good. and i still think u have a good customer serivce |
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Let me show some recent conversation logs lol...
"Dejan, I have not replied to you sooner as I have been waiting to hear back from my legal advisor with regard to your images. As your images were broadcast onto the internet without copywright markings they were put into the public domain realm and as we sourced them from the internet in this form we were not to know they were copyrighted. The images used in our magazine advert were taken from the Iforged gallery. The picture before this was obtained from the internet in the public domain realm meaning we owe nothing with regard to copywright on that image. They should not have been put on the internet without copywright embossing. However, please feel free to send me other images of iforged wheels you have taken letting me know how much you would like for our use of them. I have removed the picture of the black 3 series from all my future advertising plans to avoid your frustration in the future. If you disagree with my legal representatives comments please feel free to write to us directly an I will pass your latter on. Many thanks Paul Emmerson" ----------------------------- Hey Paul! First I wanted to let you know that your legal advisor is probably not updated, since 1988 - the date when USA entered the convention. You can see here for yourselfs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_C...Artistic_Works US however is since 1988 also with this international law, which also means no copyright-symbol is really a must to use, since the convention dont ask for those things. Many people in the US (or UK) do live with the same fact that there actually has to be a copyright-symbol, which appearantly your legal advisor seems to do. Just wanted to make this straight so there wont be any wrong informations and missunderstandings in our problem. Regards Dejan Sokolovski" ------------------------------ "Dejan, please let me make the following points to you: ˇ I have fully admitted to you that we used your photographs without knowing they were copywrighted ˇ We have apologised for the use of them and have removed them from all means of our advertising ˇ We have offered to use your photographs in the future and you can charge us for these ˇ Despite your posts on forums about us I have made many replies to your email when possible and when necessary ˇ We are an honest company and when knowingly use copywright material we contact the owner of the material to get permission, this was not possible in this case as you didn’t make it clear the image was copywright I have since found out that while we have been holding discussions you personally have been slating our company on various forums and websites which is heavily effecting our business which I am very unhappy about. I am disappointed that you have acted in this way baring in mind how reasonable I have been with you and I would have thought that to encourage our future use of your images at a fee you would have acted differently. Regards Paul Emmerson" ------------------------ Let me answer your points. ˇ I have fully admitted to you that we used your photographs without knowing they were copywrighted ˇ We have apologised for the use of them and have removed them from all means of our advertising You have appologized, this still doesnt justifty you stole the images, AND removed my signature. ˇ Despite your posts on forums about us I have made many replies to your email when possible and when necessary I posted on several forums AFTER the negative and trying-to-getaway-with-it answers I've got from Vincent Wong. Also I will post on as much forums I can and spread bad words for the company if this continues like this childish level. ˇ We are an honest company and when knowingly use copywright material we contact the owner of the material to get permission, this was not possible in this case as you didn't make it clear the image was copywright I cant see the honest in either yours and Vincent Wong's answers back, all you do is bullshitting me and trying to turn the situation around. As I've found out on several forums Iforged doesnt handle their customers too good, very poor and bad support from you guys. Here's a link of the image you've used, as you see at the bottom I have my signature/name, this was apparantly removed when used and no one has contacted me reagarding use of the image, or the other images for the website, END. If you would google my name - Dejan Sokolovski - you would find my website at the very first link and there's contact information there, so I dont buy your opinions on this. http://85.228.116.196:6900/09996/1.jpg As I said, getting bad and non-cooperative answers from both you and Vincent Wong will keep me posting and spread it all out there. NO ONE is on your side after seeing conversation logs over e-mail, It has to mean something, you're wrong and I'm right. Also I'm getting in contact with my bildombudsman tomorow morning and getting this straight, fair and straight, no complications and no nice and easy work-outs from my side. I'm very sorry it has to be this way but you're the ones responsible for this acting, no one has ever acted like this before, I've had magazines publishing my work without asking me before but we come up wit h a solution that will do good for us both without complications. I'm a really nice guy and I was offering You and Vincent good ways to clear this all up, but appearantly you want to fight this and loose customers and get a bad word for the company because you cant pay a photographer up....! ----------------- He's being a total retard, trying to turn the situation around and making me feel like I'm the one did the wrong thing haha... :> As seen on the photo my name is shown, if he would google it my website would be the first shown up, and THERE he could of contact me, or whoever in his compan took my photos. But no... they just took them without permission and used them, removed my signature and hoped for the best... Tomorow I'm contacting my lawyer (Bildombudsman) It isnt very expensive, about 150-180 USD for everything, dragging it into court and such aswell, and as my case is 100% win according to the bildombudsman it will payback. He'll set them straight, and hopefully they will LEARN something about it all. Bullshitting people with lies and shit like both Vincent Wong and Paul Emmerson is doing surely isnt a great way to handle their business! I was laughing when I saw he said the company was "honest" and such, it was kind of ironic... |
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