|
|
|
|
|
|
BMW Garage | BMW Meets | Register | Search | Today's Posts | Mark Forums Read |
|
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum
>
Been In For First Service And Bmw May Have Fucked 335d
|
|
09-12-2007, 03:59 AM | #67 | |
Colonel
83
Rep 2,353
Posts
Drives: 2009 Z4 sDrive 23i
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Glasgow, Scotland, UK
|
NFS, I mentioned the first part of this yesterday. The manual also says there is approx 1 litre between the min and max marks on the dipstick.
Quote:
__________________
E89 Z4 sDrive 23i... for the more discerning driver
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 04:06 AM | #68 |
Major General
273
Rep 9,218
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 04:19 AM | #69 |
Colonel
83
Rep 2,353
Posts
Drives: 2009 Z4 sDrive 23i
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Glasgow, Scotland, UK
|
Lets for a moment look at both sides of the story.
If the oil was around the minimum mark after the service, adding 1.5 litres of oil would take it over the maximum mark. This is not good!! If the oil was less than minimum and there were no warnings/chimes/symbols appearing on dash, then this is also not good. The car should alert if oil level is low. Either way, if it was my car (which is mine, bought and paid for by me incidentally ) I would be trying to get to the bottom of this.
__________________
E89 Z4 sDrive 23i... for the more discerning driver
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 04:26 AM | #70 |
Brigadier General
652
Rep 3,445
Posts
Drives: G22 M440D
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: CH / SCO
|
Because, even after repeated polite requests/suggestions/links, he steadfastly refuses to read the manual. Or even open it and read a section. He is quite simply as thick as mince.
He is quite happy to listen to a tech from the same place that screwed up the oil change, feeding his drama Queen hysteria and hissy fit, while ignoring every one of us - who to a man said "don't worry about any adverse mechanical effects" and pointed out all the warnings and chimes not even he could ignore. Why does he choose this ostrich behaviour ? If he actually grew up and read the manual he wouldn't ask so many idiotic, STUPID questions. Questions a real engine builder would know all too well. Which you quite clearly are not, Carlos - so stop deluding yourself. I'm off for a lie down ...... D.
__________________
Escort Mk1 RS2000 (2.1 2x44IDFS, BVH, Kent FR32, 5spd, 180 BHP) : M440D ¦ Previously : F32 435D : F32 430D M Sport sDrive, 335D E92 2006
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 04:30 AM | #71 |
The Tarmac Terrorist
944
Rep 29,345
Posts
Drives: 997.2 GT3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: ''Fandango Towers''
|
i did read the manwel for the first time last night, only a few pages tho, Thanks Dave for all your help and advice and of course thankyou for all your slating of me
__________________
997.2 GT3
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 04:39 AM | #72 | |
Major General
273
Rep 9,218
Posts |
Quote:
Situation 1: The Fandango car was serviced and the dealer did not refill the oil correctly AND coincidentally the low oil level engine warning light is defective AND the audible warning is also defective AND the dipstick is defective AND the cars oil level fluctuates decreasing (plausible) and increasing (miraculous) between checks Situation 2 Carlos has is obsessed with checking his oil, but has a problem following the instryuctions in the manual because he doesn't feel that they are 'correct'. AND the dealer underfilled the oil by 1.5 litres, which is pretty poor service, but not in any way likely to damage the engine. If this were a single event in isolation then you could (almost) believe that it was possible for the warnings to fail AND the dealer to simultaneously cock up the refill. However, there are some problems with this: 1. This is not an isolated incident - there are many posts on the forum from Carlos which illustrate a 'problem' with his approach to checking the oil level. As with the 'boy who cried wolf' this reduces his credibility as a witness. 2. The chec control system is part of the MOST fibre optic system. All components - including check control report to one another every time that the vehicle is started up. I don't believe that it is possible for the oil level warning system (a fundamental system that has been fitted to every car for at least the last 20 years) to fail, without an error message being displayed. In conclusion 'what is more likely' : 1. That Carlos knows more about checking oil levels than BMW, has a car which can mysteriously increase and reduce it's own oil level, a faulty dipstick, a faulty dealer, a faulty oil level warning system, a faulty check control system and faulty MOST sub system. OR 2. That Carlos is a little bit hung up on oil levels and his dealer didn't brim the oil after service. I vote for option 2 |
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 05:03 AM | #73 |
The Tarmac Terrorist
944
Rep 29,345
Posts
Drives: 997.2 GT3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: ''Fandango Towers''
|
just checked the othe rlitre bottle, it would seem just over 1.75litres was put in by the technician who came out, this would lead me to believe the oil level on the dipstick was 0.75 litres below the minimum mark!
Carlos
__________________
997.2 GT3
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 05:23 AM | #74 |
Major General
689
Rep 7,308
Posts
Drives: see above.
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Yorkshire, UK
|
I just cannot believe this is still going on!!!
__________________
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 05:40 AM | #75 |
THE Viv
184
Rep 4,743
Posts
Drives: 330i SE
Join Date: May 2005
Location: the North, UK
|
Neither can I- I wish I had the power to CLOSE THREADS!
Viv |
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 05:40 AM | #76 |
Captain
18
Rep 859
Posts
Drives: E92 320i M Sport
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Hampshire, UK
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 05:54 AM | #77 |
The Tarmac Terrorist
944
Rep 29,345
Posts
Drives: 997.2 GT3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: ''Fandango Towers''
|
well that would be unfair viv
and what im annoyed about is that everyone is like ''your car is ok'' how the hell can you say that.. and if it had happened at another forum member they would be just as distressed. wait till it happens to someone else
__________________
997.2 GT3
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 06:11 AM | #78 | |
THE Viv
184
Rep 4,743
Posts
Drives: 330i SE
Join Date: May 2005
Location: the North, UK
|
Quote:
I don't think anyone is 'having a go' at you, but I think the things you say are making it more & more difficult for people to not say what they think. You're right- anyone would be annoyed if this happened to them, but they would also weigh up the facts & then decide what to do for themselves, without going over the same stuff again & again & again. Now, just sit down, look at this & close your eyes, ok! Now, no more talk of your dad's potentially f*cked engine, ok! Viv |
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 06:13 AM | #79 |
Brigadier General
96
Rep 3,465
Posts |
Carl,
stop being a cock. the engines are more or less bullitt proof, running one a little low on oil for 15 miles is well within the built in safety margins BMW give these little monkeys(335d) so relax and listen to the majority of people who are taking a more subjective viewpoint, not from yours which is one of annoyance. All my love Steve.
__________________
C350 cdi sport estate facelift 457lbft
130i M SportMercedes C350 CDI Sport Estate AutoMini Cooper Auto.Mercedes E250 CGI,Lexus IS-F,R36, RS4 Saloon,ML 420 CDI SPORT,M6, 335d, C55, C32, M3, M5, S3, ALL SOLD but fondly remembered |
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 06:14 AM | #80 |
Colonel
48
Rep 2,022
Posts
Drives: X5 g05
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Buckinghamshire, UK
|
I must admit, I have trouble reading the dipstick - it doesn't seem an exact science, it always looks a bit thin to me and I think maybe it just picked up the oil on its way back out of the chute..... I'd prefer an electronic one but that seems to be referred for i(nbred) owners.
Carlos> Go for the remap if you want to, but make sure BMW are aware of the incident first. Then you have absolute comeback on them to be able to point to this incident.
__________________
Current: E90 335d (May 2007) | Black/Black | Prof Hifi | Prof Nav | 6FL | Fully Electric Seats | Xenons | Folding Mirrors | PDC
Previous: 325ci Conv. Black/Black with lots of ACS Previous: z3 3.0 Silver with Black&Red Leather |
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 06:18 AM | #81 | |
Major General
273
Rep 9,218
Posts |
Quote:
Relax, do something else, take up a hobby ... I hear that flower arranging is therapeutic, but for the sake of all of us please let go of these crazy delusions that your car will now implode in 12 months time. It's OK Carlos ... really it is ... you can trust us. Your car is MUCH more likely to fall apart because of your trips to Santa Pod and endless ragging about at full throttle |
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 06:24 AM | #82 | |
The Tarmac Terrorist
944
Rep 29,345
Posts
Drives: 997.2 GT3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: ''Fandango Towers''
|
Quote:
__________________
997.2 GT3
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 06:28 AM | #83 | |
Major General
273
Rep 9,218
Posts |
Quote:
In 10,000 miles - because of your BMW dealers low oil filling and your 15 mile journey uphill your dad's car will become a 'clown car'. Smoke will billow from the exhaust, all the doors will fall off and the horn will make a loud 'parping' noise. Does this make you happy? |
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 06:36 AM | #84 | |||
The Tarmac Terrorist
944
Rep 29,345
Posts
Drives: 997.2 GT3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: ''Fandango Towers''
|
Quote:
Quote:
Cheers stevie A. I will always, have much.. much love for you Quote:
thanks everyone for the help, it did take a while to drum in.... Carlos
__________________
997.2 GT3
|
|||
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 06:41 AM | #85 |
Major General
689
Rep 7,308
Posts
Drives: see above.
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Yorkshire, UK
|
Never one for an understatement Carlos
__________________
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 06:42 AM | #86 |
Captain
14
Rep 686
Posts
Drives: E93 320d M Sport, E81 116d SE
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Epsom UK
iTrader: (0)
Garage List 2006 120d SE [0.00]
2007 335d A M Sport [0.00] 1998 M3 Evo [0.00] 2002 330d Sport [0.00] 2004 330d Sport [0.00] |
Just to stir it up a little more, there have been problems with the low oil level sensor on BMW six cylinder diesels. They were showing low oil when the dipstick was showing full.
The X5 we have at work had its sensor changed under warranty. Regards Chris
__________________
Previously: 2007 335D MSport E90 Le Mans Blue, 2004 330D A Sport Silver Grey, 2002 330D A Sport Saphire Black, 2001 320D SE Touring Titanium Silver, 1998 M3 Evo Techno Violet, 1996 328i Sport Montreal Blue, 1994 325i Coupe Red, 1989 325i Sport 2 door Dolphin Grey,1986 325i SE 4 door Lachs
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 06:50 AM | #87 |
Colonel
48
Rep 2,022
Posts
Drives: X5 g05
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Buckinghamshire, UK
|
For god's sake don't tell 'im that.
__________________
Current: E90 335d (May 2007) | Black/Black | Prof Hifi | Prof Nav | 6FL | Fully Electric Seats | Xenons | Folding Mirrors | PDC
Previous: 325ci Conv. Black/Black with lots of ACS Previous: z3 3.0 Silver with Black&Red Leather |
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2007, 06:53 AM | #88 | |
The Tarmac Terrorist
944
Rep 29,345
Posts
Drives: 997.2 GT3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: ''Fandango Towers''
|
Quote:
now im depressed
__________________
997.2 GT3
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
Bookmarks |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|