[Aphrodisiac]

Hey guys,

I've recently decided to upgrade my ECU with software reprogramming to increase the Turbo Boost and extract more power out of the N54 mysterious Engine.

I found that DINAN is a great solution due to reliability of Engineering/Manufacturing in their products and I wanted to buy the whole Stage 3 Kit which pumps you all the way to 406HP. What I really like about it and think is really logical, is how they upgraded the cooling system with the Oil Cooler and the Air Intercooler...

However, I live in Beirut, Lebanon and I've been told that I have to ship my ECU all the way to the DINAN facility in the US which is something too risky and I won't do it.

I was quite impressed by the JB3 Kit but is it reliable? How many HP does it add? What about the torque?
And I found the Map Switching phenomena kind of weird... How is it done? There are so many maps and it sounds confusing.

However, my car has 45,000 miles on it. I don't wanna put too much pressure on the Engine and would rather upgrade the cooling system if I want to software-mod the ECU; and found that out that BMW Power Kit is a very reliable OEM method, effective in terms of cooling but the added 20HP are not too impressive are they?

I want something more to push me all the way back when I hit the throttle whenever I want it to, and I want an instant response.

So I thought of combining the JB3 and the BMW Power Kit for cooling purposes, but there's a technical issue. The BMW Performance Cooling System doesn't work unless the ECU is specifically reprogrammed for it; and the JB3 doesn't do the job.

Any thoughts of other types/blends of Performance upgrades?

I'm open to all thoughts but please hurry up because I have to make my mind asap...

Thanks!!

[I335]

Obviously you'll need to confirm with the BMS folks, but since the JB3 is not a flash I'm thinking it would work fine with the OEM performance kit. Either that or Terry could make a special version that works with it - it would certainly be worth asking. I like your thinking. Good luck and keep us posted!

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

I've heard of a couple customers running the JB+ and JB3 on top of the BMW performance kit. The BMW flash just adds another psi of boost so its just a mild bump vs. the JB3 which is a much more significant improvement.

Mike

[Aphrodisiac]

Originally Posted by I335

Obviously you'll need to confirm with the BMS folks, but since the JB3 is not a flash I'm thinking it would work fine with the OEM performance kit. Either that or Terry could make a special version that works with it - it would certainly be worth asking. I like your thinking. Good luck and keep us posted!

I guess I'm gonna contact them and ask them about the issue...
I just wanted to see if anyone has tried it and has reviews about it!
Anyways thanks mate and I will keep you posted.

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

I've heard of a couple customers running the JB+ and JB3 on top of the BMW performance kit. The BMW flash just adds another psi of boost so its just a mild bump vs. the JB3 which is a much more significant improvement.

Mike

Mike JB3 vs. BMW Performance Power Kit wasn't the issue I was addressing. JB3 WITH BMW Performance Kit was more the idea.

What I'm trying to say here is that I'm not upgrading the ECU without upgrading the cooling system.

One way of upgrading the cooling system is installing the BMW Peformance Power Kit and I've read that the Temperature does drop considerably which is exactly what I want.

However, the Power Kit comes with a reprogrammed ECU in order for the new cooling kit to work, as opposed to the JB3 upgrade which I have been told is programmed to make the Power Kit's cooling system function.

Guys any suggestions other than JB3 are welcome.
I want something close to the DINAN Stage 3 and I am ready to upgrade the Intercooler/Oil cooler/Air Intake and other components so feel free to post any suggestion

[cstavaru]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

I've heard of a couple customers running the JB+ and JB3 on top of the BMW performance kit. The BMW flash just adds another psi of boost so its just a mild bump vs. the JB3 which is a much more significant improvement.

Mike

Who are these mysterious customers ? Are they members of any known forum ? I would love to hear their experiences...

I too am investigating the possibility of stacking the JB3 with my Power Kit...but until one of the tuners does not truly research this (like BMS did when they released a special JB+ for Dinan) I am very reluctant to do it.

[Aphrodisiac]

Check this out guys, it's a really interesting and well written comparison between Stock and BMW Performance Power Kit:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=bmw+power+kit

[cstavaru]

Originally Posted by Aphrodisiac

Check this out guys, it's a really interesting and well written comparison between Stock and BMW Performance Power Kit:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=bmw+power+kit

Are you hijacking your own thread ?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

You can find the questions about performance gains on BMS website for the Jb3.

Yes the system is very reliable. Using the right map for your mods and octane levels (as well as elevation).

If you have any questions regarding compatability, its best to go onto BMS website(www.burgertuning.com) and Email Terry and he can fill you in on what is safe for your application.

Customer service FTW.

[Aphrodisiac]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

You can find the questions about performance gains on BMS website for the Jb3.

Yes the system is very reliable. Using the right map for your mods and octane levels (as well as elevation).

If you have any questions regarding compatability, its best to go onto BMS website(www.burgertuning.com) and Email Terry and he can fill you in on what is safe for your application.

Customer service FTW.

Alright man thanks, I'll contact BMS as soon as I've made up my mind about what I'm going to choose to tune my car

Originally Posted by cstavaru

Are you hijacking your own thread ?

No, trying to solve it

[stressdoc]

I would suggest getting the BMW Perf kit and stacking the JB+ on it, not the JB3. Set the JB+ at a low level and take it easy for a few weeks. JB+ is easily removed for dealer visits. Surely we will know more soon as a number of members have recently gotten the Perf kit. Eventually you guys should form a club, maybe have your own thread/forum here.

[cstmx_ryder]

JB3>Dinan + BMW PPK.........IMO.

If you want extra cooling, you can alway upgrade your oil cooler or get an FMIC?

[Aphrodisiac]

I think I'm gonna go for the Active Autowerke XEDE Processor

It's a more reliable way of tuning... Looks/fits cleaner, doesn't push it to the limits like the JB3 and still gives that Extra Power on the throttle, plus I can get it a decent price!

That said I'll have AA Processor, AA BOV, and AA Intercooler ... + um... Active Autowerke Badge on the Rear probably

I don't really care about JB3 having additional Maps... 16 maps are too many... Plus the AA Processor has a USB 2.0 slot for post-buy potential upgrades

What do you think guys?

[enrita]

more reliable? where do you get your info? Not many people are running active autowerke and its definetely not proven to work with the Performance kit. I would go JB3 way and run map 3 to start with.

[Aphrodisiac]

Originally Posted by enrita

more reliable? where do you get your info? Not many people are running active autowerke and its definetely not proven to work with the Performance kit. I would go JB3 way and run map 3 to start with.

Well honestly that's what I read on a couple of posts but I don't have enough information about it and this is why I created this thread... Why would you go JB3? Have you ever ridden a 335i equipped with one?
Any XEDE users with reviews? Pop up!

[bulldog_yyc]

Originally Posted by Aphrodisiac

Well honestly that's what I read on a couple of posts but I don't have enough information about it and this is why I created this thread... Why would you go JB3? Have you ever ridden a 335i equipped with one?
Any XEDE users with reviews? Pop up!

there is a very large following of the jb+. There are maybe a handful of people who run the AA. JB+ is an easy install/remove vs. the AA, which is a pin out install. Go with the JB+

[wonsungnabi]

I would never get anything else but jb3, procede or giac.

[Aphrodisiac]

Originally Posted by turkish335

there is a very large following of the jb+. There are maybe a handful of people who run the AA. JB+ is an easy install/remove vs. the AA, which is a pin out install. Go with the JB+

Installation is okay for me because I have already crossed 50,000 miles so no worries for the warranty, I'm gonna keep it installed and ain't gonna remove it.
Do you think I should go easy on my engine because it's already crossed 50,000 miles? Although I'm gonna add an Oil Cooler and BMW Power Kit for the additional radiator and bigger fan, do you think JB3 will be too much power for my engine? And how's it going to couple with my BMW Power Kit?

Originally Posted by FLA 335

i would be surprised if there was a 1:1 ratio of XEDE to JB3 users (JB3 most likely would crush the XEDE in many ways... msg terry/mike/brad and they will be happy to speak to you)... i personally have GIAC and love it... however if i didnt go GIAC i would have gone JB3...

i have heard VERY little of the XEDE over the last 6 months...

where is your research coming from?!??! these must have been OLDER posts becuase i usually check the forum every night and havent seen XEDE pop up anywhere... except the forsale section...

Yeah you're right there aren't many reviews at all but this one guy from Bahrain once PMed me and told me that he's really happy with his AA Processor and thinks that it's a good substitute for the JB3 because JB3 takes the engine and Turbo Boost to dangerous limits so this is what confused me
Is JB+ the answer?

[e.n335]

1) the AA Active Processor is outdated
2) the "new" AA tune is a clone of another well-known tune using a DB25 connector for the harness. however, the device is tuned by AA. if this is a good thing ? who knows ...

[UberClean]

Your in my boat 50k miles and I just needed that extra boost in performance to keep me in my seat, while at the same time taking it a little easier on the engine.. That said IMO definitely go JB+.. put in at default enjoy for a month and then turn that badboy up to 100% like i did yesterday with the solenoid bypass, I think that should solve your problem and its cost effective!

[joec500]

I would get a used Procede V3 PNP over an Excede....I old PROcedes can be had in the 200-300 range. maybe less now!

[midlife]

Originally Posted by Aphrodisiac

Well honestly that's what I read on a couple of posts but I don't have enough information about it and this is why I created this thread... Why would you go JB3? Have you ever ridden a 335i equipped with one?
Any XEDE users with reviews? Pop up!

I guess you are new around here:
there must be more than 75 people using a jb tune for every acive autoworks tune.
And note we jb people are VERY happy and VERY FAST.

Sure active autoworks has a good intercooler - but their tune is not a top tune for our n54 motors.
There are other great intercoolers and other hot performance parts Made by many companies for our cars - you just gotta research ! Note you can run any IC or other aftermarket upgraded parts with any tune.

[midlife]

If u r really nterested in jb go to
www.n54tech.com or email Terry directly at Terenceburger@gmail.com
Terry is the best and will tell you all the facts straight out.

Tell him midelife sent you.
Gooduck