[PR3CI5N]

I understand what you're saying but at the same time I've raced around 6 bikes on the freeways in my area and of course I didn't win them all but I won a majority of them to guys I could tell didn't want to lose to a BMW on the freeway. It's not hard to figure out when another racer means business and their bikes weren't shitboxes.

Originally Posted by ryan stewart

Maybe old shitboxes or some 60hp detuned crusier but most modern 600s are at or over 100hp and can run up to any normal road cars top speed. The liter bikes are hitting 200hp and 190+ now, super car territory. Id guess that the rider just didnt want to keep running.

[kingofthedemo]

Originally Posted by PR3CI5N

I understand what you're saying but at the same time I've raced around 6 bikes on the freeways in my area and of course I didn't win them all but I won a majority of them to guys I could tell didn't want to lose to a BMW on the freeway. It's not hard to figure out when another racer means business and their bikes weren't shitboxes.

There's no way the bikes you beat were modern 1000 cc bikes, maybe you raced a cool looking 250cc ninja lol...

[ken1137]

Ok...I would like to repeat. It is feasible although I dont condone this type of driving anywhere let alone Big Sur. I can post 1/4 mile times from Cycle world but I can't attach with this damn iPad. Here are the times:

BMW R1200GS --- 11.39 seconds 1/4 mile
BMW S1000RR --- 9.78 seconds 1/4 mile

That is the difference between a street/enduro and cafe racer for BMWs new models. So, If he were running against an older R1200 (97-'05) which might break 12 seconds, it is feasible.

Keep in mind BMWs best bikes are not cafe racers (IMO), in fact the GS is a great Enduro bike and if I were going to buy a street bike and/or cafe racer it would be the following:

Ducati Diavel - naked street bike
Ducati Panigale - cafe racer

[techwhiz]

Read my previous post.
Unless you are driving an exotic perish the thought of beating a bike.
My '98 VFR is not by any means current and it's got more than 100HP and give me a power to weight ratio of 108/600 = .18.

Let's assume a you have the same power to weight ratio.
A 335i weighs what 3600 lbs?
So to get that kind of power to weight you need 648 hp.

Can we put this to rest? Just about any, and I do mean any, open class bike (750cc or better) is a match for almost every and any car on the road. Every modern sport bike more than 600 cc is more than a match for all but the most expensive cars.

It's about the rider and how hard they want to push. Around corners it's different because a motorcycle can't maintain a large enough contact patch and the coefficient of friction just isn't high enough to keep the bike planted in the turns.

Bike beat cars unless you go around some very tight corners.

[ken1137]

Originally Posted by techwhiz

Read my previous post.
Unless you are driving an exotic perish the thought of beating a bike.
My '98 VFR is not by any means current and it's got more than 100HP and give me a power to weight ratio of 108/600 = .18.

Let's assume a you have the same power to weight ratio.
A 335i weighs what 3600 lbs?
So to get that kind of power to weight you need 648 hp.

Can we put this to rest? Just about any, and I do mean any, open class bike (750cc or better) is a match for almost every and any car on the road. Every modern sport bike more than 600 cc is more than a match for all but the most expensive cars.

It's about the rider and how hard they want to push. Around corners it's different because a motorcycle can't maintain a large enough contact patch and the coefficient of friction just isn't high enough to keep the bike planted in the turns.

Bike beat cars unless you go around some very tight corners.

+1 ....depends on how crazy the driver is and all I have to say is I am lucky to be alive. I used to do crazy shit as a kid, but I have not owned a motorcycle since I have been married. 20+ yrs. still have my license

[amuzement]

He wanted to play with you

[galahad05]

Street race with a 600 super sport, if the rider is in the wrong gear, he has to change gears, rev up and THEN scream away to a top speed of about 160 mph.

I have a 335i (hypothetically tuned, so to speak) and I also have a 2010 Z1000. The Z1000 walks away from it literally without trying. Hell, I have to deliberately go very light throttle not to rocket away. The bike (professionally ridden, granted) will outrun a Ferrari Enzo to about 140 mph (after which the Ferrari will reel it in).

0-60 2.5 seconds, street passing in top gear 60-80 mph 2.45 seconds.

An R6 (600cc super sport) 60-80 mph passing 3.85 seconds.

[Digtlartst]

Originally Posted by ken1137

+1 ....depends on how crazy the driver is and all I have to say is I am lucky to be alive. I used to do crazy shit as a kid, but I have not owned a motorcycle since I have been married. 20+ yrs. still have my license

I've been riding motorcycles for 40+ years and married 25 years, still have my license, all my limbs, and have zero points, so it can be done.

The 193hp BMW S1000RR HP4 does 1/4 mile in mid 8s. It's 440lbs. Top speed is about 195. I have a BMW R1200RT twin that can't touch that, but that's not why and how I ride.

[SubzeroVR4]

It's going to take 450whp+ to pull on a 600 from a 40 roll. From a dead stop the bike dominates.

For liter bikes you're going to need 800whp or more.


A disadvantage for 600 is the top end so if you can hang with them till 100 you'll probably end up pulling around them by 140.

I have a ZX-14 and haven't ran across a car or bike to pull on me yet. I'd like to line up with a S1000RR.

[MrQuickR1]

I laugh in my helmet when some tool like the op thinks they have something to play with when I am out on the R1. 0-60 and roll ons are different animals so I don't even go by the 0-60 crap!
I don't buy into these little kids wanting to test their limits, I just let them think they are faster...it saves time, tickets, and lives. op grow up man

[Turb0Surge]

Originally Posted by MrQuickR1

I laugh in my helmet when some tool like the op thinks they have something to play with when I am out on the R1. 0-60 and roll ons are different animals so I don't even go by the 0-60 crap!
I don't buy into these little kids wanting to test their limits, I just let them think they are faster...it saves time, tickets, and lives. op grow up man

^what he said. OP if your 335 isnt at about 450-500hp there's no way. The guy was probably messing with you.

[CoralRed335XI]

Originally Posted by sjk9671

My stock 07 GSXR600 is easily twice as fast as my modded 335. There is no comparison.

Does that mean you can go 350+MPH on your bike?

[Turb0Surge]

Originally Posted by CoralRed335XI

Does that mean you can go 350+MPH on your bike?

No that means his bike can accelerate twice as fast as his car.

[CoralRed335XI]

Originally Posted by Turb0Surge

No that means his bike can accelerate twice as fast as his car.

So his bike can do 1/4 mile in 6 seconds...

[sjk9671]

Originally Posted by CoralRed335XI

So his bike can do 1/4 mile in 6 seconds...

The bike is 3.2sec to 60mph, my car right around 5.5? that's almost twice as fast.

The point of my post is, bikes are so much faster than cars. Its a little silly to think a lightly modded 3 series is going to take down a 1200cc bike.

Also if you look at the power to weight ratio: (hp measured at the crank)

GSXR: 355lbs 120HP
335i: 3600lbs 400hp (assuming you got a full 100hp from the jb4)

GSXR: 0.338 (more than double the car)
335i: 0.111

[Turb0Surge]

Originally Posted by CoralRed335XI

So his bike can do 1/4 mile in 6 seconds...

you abviously don't ride. Don't get my wrong- I love my bimmer. It's fast as hell, faster than most cars on the road... But it is no match for any modern day spotsbike.

[sjk9671]

Originally Posted by Turb0Surge

you abviously don't ride. Don't get my wrong- I love my bimmer. It's fast as hell, faster than most cars on the road... But it is no match for any modern day spotsbike.

[CoralRed335XI]

Originally Posted by sjk9671

The bike is 3.2sec to 60mph, my car right around 5.5? that's almost twice as fast.

The point of my post is, bikes are so much faster than cars. Its a little silly to think a lightly modded 3 series is going to take down a 1200cc bike.

Also if you look at the power to wait ratio: (hp measured at the crank)

GSXR: 355lbs 120HP
335i: 3600lbs 400hp (assuming you got a full 100hp from the jb4)

GSXR: 0.338 (more than double the car)
335i: 0.111

5.5s 0-60 with JB4. you got some issues lol. I never said a 3 would take down a bike, but 2x as fast is overly optimistic for a bike.

[Turb0Surge]

Originally Posted by CoralRed335XI

5.5s 0-60 with JB4. you got some issues lol. I never said a 3 would take down a bike, but 2x as fast is overly optimistic for a bike.

Test ride a sportsbike. You'll instantly know what he means. Doesn't even have to be a 1000. Test ride a 600cc sportsbike and you'll see.

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by Turb0Surge

Test ride a sportsbike. You'll instantly know what he means. Doesn't even have to be a 1000. Test ride a 600cc sportsbike and you'll see.

Test ride one of the 190-200hp monsters like the MV F4RR, BMW 1100RR, ZX etc and he'll die.

[sjk9671]

Originally Posted by Turb0Surge

Test ride a sportsbike. You'll instantly know what he means. Doesn't even have to be a 1000. Test ride a 600cc sportsbike and you'll see.

Especially one that is fuel injected like mine. He will understand then.

[sjk9671]

Originally Posted by CoralRed335XI

5.5s 0-60 with JB4. you got some issues lol. I never said a 3 would take down a bike, but 2x as fast is overly optimistic for a bike.

right 5.5 is without a jb4. I have the jb4 on my car, still no comparison.