BBK for easy pad changes only

jbass524 · 10-16-2008, 11:35 PM

I'm really looking for an easy way to change pads for track days (about 14 per year) and alleviate some or all of the fade. I'm the kind of guy that wants a lot of value and is a little lazy.

With that said it seems like a BBK may be the best way to go. I like the idea of pulling the pads out the top. Perfect for a lazy guy. Checking wheels the night before can easily include a pad change also. Sweet.

If it were easier to do I definitely would not be looking to put BBKs on. If I don't do this I know I'll never change the pads with the stock calipers. It doesn't seem too complicated. I'm just a little lazy. In turn, I'll be living with marginal brake performance. Argggghhhh!

After a bunch of reading I would like to go with the UUC/Wilwood kit, ft. and rr. I know there's a lot of debate whether these are as good as 1 brand or another but I'm not concerned. With easy pad changes, SS lines, and an operating cost that is much lower than other BBKs I feel like I'll experience a lot better braking with great value and ease.

Does this sound like a solution for a value lover who's a little lazy?

TSM330i · 10-17-2008, 09:24 AM

UUC doesn't have pricing for the 335 yet, but I can't imagine it being more than a couple hundred dollars more than the 325 - 330 models.

That being said, with how many track days you do a year, yes, this would be a viable upgrade for you. Changing pads is much easier on the race brake systems. Check out their Caliper Spreader ($200) for really easy pad change.

I usually put my race pads on at home so I can properly seat them prior to going to the track and then deal with the squeel and noise for the ride too and from the track. With the larger brakes, you don't have to go crazy with pad choice to get superior braking over stock. If you go with 6-piston up front, then you have 5 more pistons than you did over stock.

jbass524 · 10-17-2008, 10:33 PM

Rob from UUC! You out there?

Thanks AW325xi. That sounds like the ticket then and worth the added cost.

jbass524 · 10-19-2008, 04:03 PM

Noticed that Rotora makes a caliper kit for the E92. It's available now. Any reason not to get this and wait for the Wilwood? I would like to have the brakes on for the first HPDEs next year.

TSM330i · 10-21-2008, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbass524

Noticed that Rotora makes a caliper kit for the E92. It's available now. Any reason not to get this and wait for the Wilwood? I would like to have the brakes on for the first HPDEs next year.

Rotora is not bad - I'm not so sure that it's a full-blown track day set-up.

If you compare the construction of the calipers of all brands then you'll see who stands out for the money.
Case in point: Stoptechs are forged calipers while the Brembos are cast. You have to get the GTR Brembos to get forged calipers and then they are $10K.

jbass524 · 10-21-2008, 06:11 PM

AW325xi, Thanks for the critique. I wasn't sure about the Rotoras. I'll wait for the Wilwoods. I understand they're forged and great on the track. They're also pretty cheap.

Ron@Modbargains · 10-21-2008, 06:25 PM

Jbass - whichever you want to go with the Willwood or the Stoptech's like we did for AW325xi just let us know. I think the Stoptech's are at a great price point especially with fitment for 18" wheels. The Brembo's are great in terms of value their rotors lifetime is the best out there compared to many of the other brands. But with the Stoptech's or Brembo's in terms of pads you can do quite a bit of combinations versus some other BBK's like Rotora's.

Anyway let us know if we can help

jbass524 · 10-22-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron************

Jbass - whichever you want to go with the Willwood or the Stoptech's like we did for AW325xi just let us know. I think the Stoptech's are at a great price point especially with fitment for 18" wheels. The Brembo's are great in terms of value their rotors lifetime is the best out there compared to many of the other brands. But with the Stoptech's or Brembo's in terms of pads you can do quite a bit of combinations versus some other BBK's like Rotora's.

Anyway let us know if we can help

Do you sell Wilwoods? I don't think you do.

I like the idea of Wilwoods: using my own rotors, low entry and maintenance costs also. I know StopTechs are amazing but I just don't have that in the budget.

noolag · 11-06-2008, 10:07 PM

Great wheel clearance and pad selection. 355mm 6 piston front, 345mm 4 pistom rear. The kit is not cheap, but you get what you pay for.

jbass524 · 11-06-2008, 10:47 PM

Now you've gone and done it. I just need to get myself emotionally ready for dropping 5 large on those. I'm in Norcal. We say things like that.

I would bet I end up with the same setup.

I see you have the Direzzas. I just can't say enough about them. I was in heavy rain at Infineon over the weekend and they were awesome. On top of that they wear perfectly.

PKumarM3 · 11-07-2008, 12:34 AM

stoptechs ftw

have em on my e46 m3

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showp...&postcount=363

darkphantom · 11-12-2008, 12:45 PM

damn, those stoptechs look sick!

I can't imagine dropping that much bread into a BBK just yet....

leftcoastman · 11-19-2008, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron************

But with the Stoptech's or Brembo's in terms of pads you can do quite a bit of combinations versus some other BBK's like Rotora's.

Anyway let us know if we can help

Not sure if I agree with you on the Rotoras.

The Rotora 6 piston uses the EXACT same pad as the Stoptech ST60

TSM330i · 11-19-2008, 11:20 AM

Eye Candy

noolag · 11-19-2008, 06:00 PM

at their weight, those would make nice track wheels !

pdjafari · 11-26-2008, 12:54 PM

Hey AW which stoptech kit did you go with??

TSM330i · 11-26-2008, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdjafari

Hey AW which stoptech kit did you go with??

They are the 355mm 6-piston fronts and the 345mm 4-piston rears.
The only other option is 4-piston fronts I think.

These brakes work well. Get some heat into them and hit the brakes hard and it is like you put an anchor out (not that they work bad when they're cool either). I can't wait to see how they do at the track with track pads!

And yes, the Advans do make great track wheels.

Rugs · 11-26-2008, 11:27 PM

The AP Racing BBK I had on my G35 were Awesome. Very Popular in the American Lemans Series & NASCAR to name a few. They had 355mm(14.25") Rotors 6-piston Calipers up front and 4-piston Calipers w/ 13" rotors in the rear. You could just pull out the old pads & drop the new ones right through the top of the Caliper in no time.

I noticed **********s has them: http://www.**********s.com/dept.aspx?dept_id=12-025-006
And Autobahn Exotics has kits for the E90/92's now. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3702574I

Track Video showing how Good these Brakes are:

Ron@Modbargains · 11-27-2008, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbass524

Do you sell Wilwoods? I don't think you do.

I like the idea of Wilwoods: using my own rotors, low entry and maintenance costs also. I know StopTechs are amazing but I just don't have that in the budget.

This is old but never saw this - actually we do sell them. In terms of cost you are looking at a really similar pricing levels.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AW325xi

They are the 355mm 6-piston fronts and the 345mm 4-piston rears.
The only other option is 4-piston fronts I think.

These brakes work well. Get some heat into them and hit the brakes hard and it is like you put an anchor out (not that they work bad when they're cool either). I can't wait to see how they do at the track with track pads!

And yes, the Advans do make great track wheels.

AW325xi - let me know wen you want to get some other pads - glad to hear they are working out to your liking, I think just looking at them they look amazing vehind your Advans!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugs

The AP Racing BBK I had on my G35 were Awesome. Very Popular in the American Lemans Series & NASCAR to name a few. They had 355mm(14.25") Rotors 6-piston Calipers up front and 4-piston Calipers w/ 13" rotors in the rear. You could just pull out the old pads & drop the new ones right through the top of the Caliper in no time.

I noticed **********s has them: http://www.**********s.com/dept.aspx?dept_id=12-025-006
And Autobahn Exotics has kits for the E90/92's now. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3702574I

Hey Rugs - yes AP is very popular in Europe - I don't think they've had as big of a presence here n the US for some reason but they are heavily used in the racing circuits with Brembo's. They are a great product.

On a different note - guys those of you looking at the Stoptech package, we have a major coupon out for this is Black Friday (on our site) I've never seen it this agressive in terms of pricing. So if you were thinking about getting a BBK now would be the time to do it.

pdjafari · 12-01-2008, 03:55 PM

hey Ron can you PM me a price for a Stoptech package as well as a Rotora package if you have one?? I am looking for something similar to what AW has!!

evoi19 · 12-01-2008, 04:52 PM

I think with the amount you are tracking and what you're seeking, a bbk would be a good value to you.

As far as kits available, I've heard mixed reviews on Rotora. They tend to vibrate the steering wheel even when seated properly.

AP Racing and Brembo are obvious choices. I like both and have heard only good things about both. I opted for brembo since at the time AP didn't make a setup for my model.

uberschnell · 01-27-2009, 12:19 AM

Have had absolutely no problem with the Rotora's either street or track. Also, EBC makes pads that fit the rotora 6-piston, so pads option are available.

As for getting what you paid for, one could say the same thing about Omega vs Rolex. Better? -that depends on what’s important to you. Both movements if serviced regularly and reasonably cared for have an excellent chance of outlasting you. The Rolex, all things being equal, is apt to be a better rate keeper. However, the odds of the average owner noticing the difference is probably close to nil. One is 3x the cost of the other.

That holds true for the Rotora vs etc. argument. Are you that "above" average driver that operates at that edge of the envelope where the difference between forged and cast can actually be noticed?

Personally I wouldn't give two squirts of piss for what vendors say, they're in it for the $$, especially in these hard times. Do some research, you might end up saving a few $$ and get all the performance you need.

10-16-2008, 11:35 PM	#1
jbass524 Major 99 Rep 1,050 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norcal iTrader: (2)	BBK for easy pad changes only I'm really looking for an easy way to change pads for track days (about 14 per year) and alleviate some or all of the fade. I'm the kind of guy that wants a lot of value and is a little lazy. With that said it seems like a BBK may be the best way to go. I like the idea of pulling the pads out the top. Perfect for a lazy guy. Checking wheels the night before can easily include a pad change also. Sweet. If it were easier to do I definitely would not be looking to put BBKs on. If I don't do this I know I'll never change the pads with the stock calipers. It doesn't seem too complicated. I'm just a little lazy. In turn, I'll be living with marginal brake performance. Argggghhhh! After a bunch of reading I would like to go with the UUC/Wilwood kit, ft. and rr. I know there's a lot of debate whether these are as good as 1 brand or another but I'm not concerned. With easy pad changes, SS lines, and an operating cost that is much lower than other BBKs I feel like I'll experience a lot better braking with great value and ease. Does this sound like a solution for a value lover who's a little lazy?
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TSM330i 2006 330i, TSM, Black, manual, sport 878 Rep 3,699 Posts Drives: '17 C2, GTI, Z4 3.0si Racecar Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chester Springs, PA iTrader: (2)	UUC doesn't have pricing for the 335 yet, but I can't imagine it being more than a couple hundred dollars more than the 325 - 330 models. That being said, with how many track days you do a year, yes, this would be a viable upgrade for you. Changing pads is much easier on the race brake systems. Check out their Caliper Spreader ($200) for really easy pad change. I usually put my race pads on at home so I can properly seat them prior to going to the track and then deal with the squeel and noise for the ride too and from the track. With the larger brakes, you don't have to go crazy with pad choice to get superior braking over stock. If you go with 6-piston up front, then you have 5 more pistons than you did over stock. __________________ 2017 Porsche C2 - manual of course 2015 GTI S 2008 BMW Z4 3.0si Coupe - because racecar
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jbass524 Major 99 Rep 1,050 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norcal iTrader: (2)	Rob from UUC! You out there? Thanks AW325xi. That sounds like the ticket then and worth the added cost.
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10-19-2008, 04:03 PM	#4
jbass524 Major 99 Rep 1,050 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norcal iTrader: (2)	Noticed that Rotora makes a caliper kit for the E92. It's available now. Any reason not to get this and wait for the Wilwood? I would like to have the brakes on for the first HPDEs next year.
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10-21-2008, 06:11 PM	#6
jbass524 Major 99 Rep 1,050 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norcal iTrader: (2)	AW325xi, Thanks for the critique. I wasn't sure about the Rotoras. I'll wait for the Wilwoods. I understand they're forged and great on the track. They're also pretty cheap.
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10-21-2008, 06:25 PM	#7
Ron@Modbargains 58 Rep 2,201 Posts Drives: 996TT/ae86 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: 1721 E. Lambert Rd #C, La Habra, CA 90631 iTrader: (3)	Jbass - whichever you want to go with the Willwood or the Stoptech's like we did for AW325xi just let us know. I think the Stoptech's are at a great price point especially with fitment for 18" wheels. The Brembo's are great in terms of value their rotors lifetime is the best out there compared to many of the other brands. But with the Stoptech's or Brembo's in terms of pads you can do quite a bit of combinations versus some other BBK's like Rotora's. Anyway let us know if we can help
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noolag New Member 0 Rep 17 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Coupe Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Lemont-Chicago iTrader: (0)	Stoptech's front and rear Great wheel clearance and pad selection. 355mm 6 piston front, 345mm 4 pistom rear. The kit is not cheap, but you get what you pay for. Attached Images __________________ Stoptech 4 Wheel BBK/Raybestos ST-43 Race Pads/Titanium backing plates/Bilstein PSS10's/Vorshlag Camber Plates/CPT Custom Rear Camber Arms/UUC Evo 3 Shifter/Milltek Catback (Resonators deleted by CPT)/Street: Rota Torque/Bridgestone RE760 Sport/Track: Rota SVN/Bridgestone RE-01R/Winter: 189s/Bridgestone LM-60/Ultimate Pedals www.gocpt.com
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jbass524 Major 99 Rep 1,050 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norcal iTrader: (2)	Now you've gone and done it. I just need to get myself emotionally ready for dropping 5 large on those. I'm in Norcal. We say things like that. I would bet I end up with the same setup. I see you have the Direzzas. I just can't say enough about them. I was in heavy rain at Infineon over the weekend and they were awesome. On top of that they wear perfectly.
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11-07-2008, 12:34 AM	#11
PKumarM3 Air India 145 Rep 1,834 Posts Drives: 2018 Dodge Durango Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ iTrader: (8)	stoptechs ftw have em on my e46 m3 http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showp...&postcount=363 __________________ PKumarM3
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darkphantom Banned 595 Rep 5,946 Posts Drives: E93 335i Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The place for Bimmers iTrader: (4)	damn, those stoptechs look sick! I can't imagine dropping that much bread into a BBK just yet....
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TSM330i 2006 330i, TSM, Black, manual, sport 878 Rep 3,699 Posts Drives: '17 C2, GTI, Z4 3.0si Racecar Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chester Springs, PA iTrader: (2)	Eye Candy Attached Images __________________ 2017 Porsche C2 - manual of course 2015 GTI S 2008 BMW Z4 3.0si Coupe - because racecar
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noolag New Member 0 Rep 17 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Coupe Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Lemont-Chicago iTrader: (0)	Nice Advan wheels!!!! at their weight, those would make nice track wheels ! __________________ Stoptech 4 Wheel BBK/Raybestos ST-43 Race Pads/Titanium backing plates/Bilstein PSS10's/Vorshlag Camber Plates/CPT Custom Rear Camber Arms/UUC Evo 3 Shifter/Milltek Catback (Resonators deleted by CPT)/Street: Rota Torque/Bridgestone RE760 Sport/Track: Rota SVN/Bridgestone RE-01R/Winter: 189s/Bridgestone LM-60/Ultimate Pedals www.gocpt.com
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11-26-2008, 12:54 PM	#16
pdjafari Colonel 152 Rep 2,459 Posts Drives: Axe Murderer with headlights Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Earth iTrader: (5)	Hey AW which stoptech kit did you go with??
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11-26-2008, 11:27 PM	#18
Rugs Lieutenant 46 Rep 502 Posts Drives: E93 335i Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southeast U.S. iTrader: (2)	The AP Racing BBK I had on my G35 were Awesome. Very Popular in the American Lemans Series & NASCAR to name a few. They had 355mm(14.25") Rotors 6-piston Calipers up front and 4-piston Calipers w/ 13" rotors in the rear. You could just pull out the old pads & drop the new ones right through the top of the Caliper in no time. I noticed ********s has them: http://www.*******s.com/dept.aspx?dept_id=12-025-006 And Autobahn Exotics has kits for the E90/92's now. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3702574I Track Video showing how Good these Brakes are:* __________________ "WorldsQuickest 335i E93" SMART-Top /One-Off Opaque Vinyl EYELIDS / 30% TINT / A.C.SCHNITZER Pedals / "M" Tri-Color Wheel w/Paddles / EIBACH Pro-Kit / AKEBONA F. & EBC RED-STUFF R.Dustless Pads / Drilled & Slotted ROTORS / MIRO M6 Reps / MICHELIN PS2's / U.R.Coated DP's / CYBA-QUAD Exhaust Tips / BMS-TUNED... Last edited by Rugs; 11-27-2008 at 12:29 AM..
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pdjafari Colonel 152 Rep 2,459 Posts Drives: Axe Murderer with headlights Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Earth iTrader: (5)	hey Ron can you PM me a price for a Stoptech package as well as a Rotora package if you have one?? I am looking for something similar to what AW has!!
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12-01-2008, 04:52 PM	#21
evoi19 Lieutenant General 1524 Rep 17,385 Posts Drives: 2022 G80C Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (18)	I think with the amount you are tracking and what you're seeking, a bbk would be a good value to you. As far as kits available, I've heard mixed reviews on Rotora. They tend to vibrate the steering wheel even when seated properly. AP Racing and Brembo are obvious choices. I like both and have heard only good things about both. I opted for brembo since at the time AP didn't make a setup for my model.
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01-27-2009, 12:19 AM	#22
uberschnell Brigadier General 675 Rep 4,080 Posts Drives: Wide Body 1 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (48)	Have had absolutely no problem with the Rotora's either street or track. Also, EBC makes pads that fit the rotora 6-piston, so pads option are available. As for getting what you paid for, one could say the same thing about Omega vs Rolex. Better? -that depends on what’s important to you. Both movements if serviced regularly and reasonably cared for have an excellent chance of outlasting you. The Rolex, all things being equal, is apt to be a better rate keeper. However, the odds of the average owner noticing the difference is probably close to nil. One is 3x the cost of the other. That holds true for the Rotora vs etc. argument. Are you that "above" average driver that operates at that edge of the envelope where the difference between forged and cast can actually be noticed? Personally I wouldn't give two squirts of piss for what vendors say, they're in it for the $$, especially in these hard times. Do some research, you might end up saving a few $$ and get all the performance you need.
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