[JacobPoogs]

Genesis 3.8 is a v8, and 335i is a v6 twin turbo, the 335i stock puts out less hp to the wheels but the turbos should get you the win, even though the genesis 3.8 has it on whp, and might have a higher top speed, once those turbos kick in you will kill him in acceleration and also it depends on the type of racing you are doing because the 335i would beat the genesis in its handling as well... Put that hyundai in its place

[MGT81]

Originally Posted by JacobPoogs

Genesis 3.8 is a v8, and 335i is a v6 twin turbo, the 335i stock puts out less hp to the wheels but the turbos should get you the win, even though the genesis 3.8 has it on whp, and might have a higher top speed, once those turbos kick in you will kill him in acceleration and also it depends on the type of racing you are doing because the 335i would beat the genesis in its handling as well... Put that hyundai in its place

Genesis is either a 2.0 litre turbo or a 3.8 liter V6. 335 is an inline six.

[edirtaynine]

Originally Posted by JacobPoogs

Genesis 3.8 is a v8, and 335i is a v6 twin turbo, the 335i stock puts out less hp to the wheels but the turbos should get you the win, even though the genesis 3.8 has it on whp, and might have a higher top speed, once those turbos kick in you will kill him in acceleration and also it depends on the type of racing you are doing because the 335i would beat the genesis in its handling as well... Put that hyundai in its place

wtf

[JacobPoogs]

Idk why i said V8 i meant to say v6, but it does put out more whp than 335i, and the 2.0 has one small turbo that puts out nowhere near the boost or whp as the 335i

[SaMaster14]

I had a G37S before my 335is, and my G could beat the genesis (stock) in a straight line.
I've never driven a 335i (not is) so I don't know how much slower it is then my car (no DCT, less HP and torque, but not by that much), but the 335i is faster than the G37, so you should definitely be fine in a straight line.

As for handling, its no comparison, unless you aren't a good driver and your friend is just ridiculous... the 135 and the 335 are worlds ahead of the Genesis (and even the G) in terms of taking corners and accelerating out of turns (twin turbos with instant low-end torque!)

Have fun at the track! Share your experience!

At a track I might turn DSC off completely (hold traction button for 5 seconds), but be careful and be sure to know the limitations of your car! I usually turn DTC off when driving on the streets...

Also, I don't think the genesis has a higher top speed... again, with my G, it lost breath at high speeds and just stopped pulling. Not sure if its the turbos, or what, but my 335is keeps pulling and pulling... makes it feel like it has more horses than it does (if anything, you will catch up at higher speeds if it's just in a straight line, he won't pull away!)

[JacobPoogs]

[QUOTE=SaMaster14;14181147]I had a G37S before my 335is, and my G could beat the genesis (stock) in a straight line.
I've never driven a 335i (not is) so I don't know how much slower it is then my car (no DCT, less HP and torque, but not by that much), but the 335i is faster than the G37, so you should definitely be fine in a straight line.

Im not 100% positive but i'm pretty sure the 335is has the same hp and performance stats as the 335i, its just the exterior and interior looks that are different

[SaMaster14]

Originally Posted by JacobPoogs

Im not 100% positive but i'm pretty sure the 335is has the same hp and performance stats as the 335i, its just the exterior and interior looks that are different

nope; I'd be pissed since they charge almost a $10k premium over a standard 335i. There is the MSport package for the 335i; the 335is is a whole different monster. Not too much difference, but stock for stock, it's basically halfway in-between the M3 and the standard 335i.

335is has 320hp vs. 300 and 332lb/ft torque vs. 300 + a 7 second overboost to 370lb/ft torque

In addition, the 'is' has the DCT (double-clutch transmission) that the M3 has, making shifts much quicker.

The 335is also has a special exhaust that is quite different from even the 'performance exhaust' option for the 335i

0-60 comes in at about 4.7 as opposed to 5.0-5.3 and the quarter mile in 13.1 as opposed to 13.8

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The BMW PPK ups the hp and torque a bit on a stock 335i, but no DCT, no exhaust, and no overboost; the 335is is even more competent then the new 4 series.

[Revlis]

Originally Posted by JacobPoogs

Idk why i said V8 i meant to say v6, but it does put out more whp than 335i, and the 2.0 has one small turbo that puts out nowhere near the boost or whp as the 335i

Um no. Remember that the Genesis is made in Korea and though it says 340 or so HP that those are actually smaller more petite horses. While the BMW "only has 300hp it's key to remember that German Horses are Large, very large and sometimes angry horses. It's important to remember this.

In all seriousness though, Korean, Japanese, and American Auto manufacturers are pretty consistently OVER rating their HP figures, while a few of the Germans, BMW being one, tend to underrate their output.

A simple measure of this is watching a BMW e92 335 N54 holding it's own repeatedly in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times with "other" cars with reported outputs around 400+ by the manufacturers... IE Ford, Chevy, Chrysler group. Again, Must be the larger German horses counts more...

[walmark]

Originally Posted by JacobPoogs

Idk why i said V8 i meant to say v6, but it does put out more whp than 335i, and the 2.0 has one small turbo that puts out nowhere near the boost or whp as the 335i

Hmm, wrong again. The stock Hyundai 2.0T puts out 14.3psi boost, while stock 335i only builds 8.8psi. Both can be tuned, with Hyundai guys running theirs at up to 30psi. But stock for stock, Hyundai puts out more boost...

[walmark]

Originally Posted by SaMaster14

nope; I'd be pissed since they charge almost a $10k premium over a standard 335i. There is the MSport package for the 335i; the 335is is a whole different monster. Not too much difference, but stock for stock, it's basically halfway in-between the M3 and the standard 335i.

335is has 320hp vs. 300 and 332lb/ft torque vs. 300 + a 7 second overboost to 370lb/ft torque

In addition, the 'is' has the DCT (double-clutch transmission) that the M3 has, making shifts much quicker.

The 335is also has a special exhaust that is quite different from even the 'performance exhaust' option for the 335i

0-60 comes in at about 4.7 as opposed to 5.0-5.3 and the quarter mile in 13.1 as opposed to 13.8

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The BMW PPK ups the hp and torque a bit on a stock 335i, but no DCT, no exhaust, and no overboost; the 335is is even more competent then the new 4 series.

I agree with everything except stock power and torque numbers for the 335i. When released, the N54 335i was dynoed by several testers and consistently put down 320-330 in both power and torque. However, that was the power of the outgoing M3, so BMW lowered the rated power to 300, even though almost every 335i had more than this. So 335is doesn't exactly have more power from the same engine, but it DOES have the overboost and everything else you said. Now what does the N55 335i put down, I don't know.

[Dark_Knight_335]

Originally Posted by walmark

I agree with everything except stock power and torque numbers for the 335i. When released, the N54 335i was dynoed by several testers and consistently put down 320-330 in both power and torque. However, that was the power of the outgoing M3, so BMW lowered the rated power to 300, even though almost every 335i had more than this. So 335is doesn't exactly have more power from the same engine, but it DOES have the overboost and everything else you said. Now what does the N55 335i put down, I don't know.

Same HP, more torque. Two turbos pull much more than a dinky twin scroll turbo...bla bla bla

[domrep]

Originally Posted by Treize

LMAO

[Potty_Pants]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

The 0-60 on a 3.8 Genesis is about 5.5-5.9sec. The car fairly quick but not exactly a lighting bolt; a stock E92 can take the 3.8 Genesis in a drag race. A tuned 335 will blow it right out of the water.

^ yeah what he said !

a Genesis coupe or 5.0 sedan for that matter cant hold a torch to the balanced 335i. Stock the bmw will beat it and tuned will destroy it.

ppp

[e90post_user]

Originally Posted by walmark

I agree with everything except stock power and torque numbers for the 335i. When released, the N54 335i was dynoed by several testers and consistently put down 320-330 in both power and torque. However, that was the power of the outgoing M3, so BMW lowered the rated power to 300, even though almost every 335i had more than this. So 335is doesn't exactly have more power from the same engine, but it DOES have the overboost and everything else you said. Now what does the N55 335i put down, I don't know.

Where did you get this ?
335is was introduced well into E9x life cycle, E46 M3 was irrelevant at that point.
335is does put more paper horse power stock 320 HP vs 335i paper stock rated 300 HP.
It's basically OEM PPK tune for 335i.
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ModelCode=133F

[walmark]

Originally Posted by e90post_user

Where did you get this ?
335is was introduced well into E9x life cycle, E46 M3 was irrelevant at that point.
335is does put more paper horse power stock 320 HP vs 335i paper stock rated 300 HP.
It's basically OEM PPK tune for 335i.
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ModelCode=133F

It's been discussed a couple of times. Check below:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3049372
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N54#Specifications

335i, when introduced, was underrated not to compete with outgoing E46 M3. The actual power numbers were much higher from stock in independent testing.

It is possible that the "is" is also underrated not to be too close to current M3, but 320-330hp is what has been reported to come out from stock 335i N54 since 2006.

[shazzy04]

Originally Posted by Revlis

Fortunately it's an added extra, and it will activate itself. Bring a Box lunch.

Especially in South Florida.

[SanquintinB]

You guys are sleeeeeping on the Genesis. Its a really nice handling car if you guys ever get the chance to drive one. If it's a 3.8 r-spec with 13.4" brembos and a torsen LSD, then you will get beat around a track in a heavy ass e93.

[e90post_user]

Originally Posted by walmark

It's been discussed a couple of times. Check below:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3049372
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N54#Specifications

335i, when introduced, was underrated not to compete with outgoing E46 M3. The actual power numbers were much higher from stock in independent testing.

It is possible that the "is" is also underrated not to be too close to current M3, but 320-330hp is what has been reported to come out from stock 335i N54 since 2006.

BMW underrates all their engines, I agree with this.
I am speaking of stock for stock - 335is is rated for more horse power than a 335i with the same engine variant N54. I am leaving off N55 out of this, but the OEM PPK raises the power and torque numbers.

A side note: Porsche almost shot itself in the foot with Cayman S vs 911 Carrera 4 - same engine, different tune, and yet Cayman S is a better driver's car with its mid-engine setup.
Anyway, continue

[AzureHaze]

Originally Posted by e90post_user

A side note: Porsche almost shot itself in the foot with Cayman S vs 911 Carrera 4 - same engine, different tune, and yet Cayman S is a better driver's car with its mid-engine setup.
Anyway, continue

I'd get a Cayman S over a 911 but the majority in this forum wouldn't agree!

[e90'D10]

OP you should be able to beat the 3.8 v6 genesis and obviously you will be the 2.0T because that small turbo isn't worth nothing at 210hp stock. Pending on your buddies 3.8 (bolt ons, exhaust, DP, cams & etc) you shouldn't have an issue as mentioned previously. Mitsubshi did well with our turbos in our 335i even if they are small and wishing they were bigger yet it gets the job done

[SaMaster14]

Originally Posted by walmark

I agree with everything except stock power and torque numbers for the 335i. When released, the N54 335i was dynoed by several testers and consistently put down 320-330 in both power and torque. However, that was the power of the outgoing M3, so BMW lowered the rated power to 300, even though almost every 335i had more than this. So 335is doesn't exactly have more power from the same engine, but it DOES have the overboost and everything else you said. Now what does the N55 335i put down, I don't know.

Well if the 335i N54 was underrated, wouldn't the 335is also be underrated? It's the same engine, just tuned and tweaked more (and with extra reliability features to solve the waste gate and hpfp issues), so it should produce more HP and torque regardless of what the ratings are.

[e90post_user]

Originally Posted by SaMaster14

Well if the 335i N54 was underrated, wouldn't the 335is also be underrated? It's the same engine, just tuned and tweaked more (and with extra reliability features to solve the waste gate and hpfp issues), so it should produce more HP and torque regardless of what the ratings are.

Exact my point, it was argued previously that 335is didn't put any additional power just torque.