[Kerr]

For less than the price of a 335d, you can get a 335i.

Faster, sounds nicer, you don't have to have an auto and there really isn't much difference in running costs.

With the price of petrol dropping and more clamp downs on diesels likely to be coming in the future, it makes even more sense to go petrol.

[Ajs_435d]

True, diesel is dropping top though. A stage 2 335d is quicker than a stage 1 335i but once you got past that it's not, we think my D isn't really anymore expensive you run really I obviously sounds better too. My mate has an auto vogue 335i quite like it I know a lot on folk don't on here.

Yeah I'm not a massive fan on the auto however it's pretty seamless and relaxing coming from my other car.

I'm sorry but I can't see say a stage 2 335d keep up with a c63 amg!

[JJ0063]

Originally Posted by Kerr

For less than the price of a 335d, you can get a 335i.

Faster, sounds nicer, you don't have to have an auto and there really isn't much difference in running costs.

With the price of petrol dropping and more clamp downs on diesels likely to be coming in the future, it makes even more sense to go petrol.

Fair points, however I want an auto next, and the fuel costs will never stay down.

I certainly won't be going back to a petrol unless I'm forced into it. Tesla FTW..

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by ajs_335d

True, diesel is dropping top though. A stage 2 335d is quicker than a stage 1 335i but once you got past that it's not, we think my D isn't really anymore expensive you run really I obviously sounds better too. My mate has an auto vogue 335i quite like it I know a lot on folk don't on here.

Yeah I'm not a massive fan on the auto however it's pretty seamless and relaxing coming from my other car.

I'm sorry but I can't see say a stage 2 335d keep up with a c63 amg!

We've had countless arguments on here what is faster, but if you pay attention to real figures, the 335i is faster by a margin tuned or not.

Standard it is faster and when you get involved in tuning, you can increase the gap further like for like.

The 330d is as close to the 335d than the 335d is to the 335i in terms or performance.

Tuned 335ds are usually low 13s at 105/106mph on the quarter mile. Mildly tuned 335is are mid 12s with a few getting 112mph terminal speeds. There is some highly tuned ones much faster.

Standard 335is should manage 104mph terminal speed which is just off a remapped 335d.

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by JJ0063

Fair points, however I want an auto next, and the fuel costs will never stay down.

I certainly won't be going back to a petrol unless I'm forced into it. Tesla FTW..

All fuel is coming down. Using the average figures given for drivers, the difference in fuel costs for an average driver doing 10,000 miles a year is only £150 per year.

Even when it goes back up, which will be a while by all accounts, diesel will always be more expensive. The gap will likely get more with the way diesel is now being shown to be dangerous stuff.

Won't be long before we see campaigns here to ban them from city centres like is happening abroad.

Unless you're doing big miles, I have never have understood the appeal of a diesel. Even the very best of diesel engines don't match a decent petrol engine.

[Ajs_435d]

Originally Posted by Kerr

We've had countless arguments on here what is faster, but if you pay attention to real figures, the 335i is faster by a margin tuned or not.

Standard it is faster and when you get involved in tuning, you can increase the gap further like for like.

The 330d is as close to the 335d than the 335d is to the 335i in terms or performance.

Tuned 335ds are usually low 13s at 105/106mph on the quarter mile. Mildly tuned 335is are mid 12s with a few getting 112mph terminal speeds. There is some highly tuned ones much faster.

Standard 335is should manage 104mph terminal speed which is just off a remapped 335d.

Okay, not really that bothered i was only going off what its like compared to my mates Av 335i not on paper figures.

I know it gets as boring as the 335d vs m3 craic.

[mob17]

It isnt just about mpg with the 335D, its not as simple as that. Its a different driving experience to a petrol. Loads of low down torque makes it nice for a lazy driver.

Whereas a petrol you have power at a higher band and can hear that sweet sound of the engine.

Personally i have gotten used to the 335d power band that i wouldn't swap with a petrol even if the mpg was the same.

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by mob17

It isnt just about mpg with the 335D, its not as simple as that. Its a different driving experience to a petrol. Loads of low down torque makes it nice for a lazy driver.

Whereas a petrol you have power at a higher band and can hear that sweet sound of the engine.

Personally i have gotten used to the 335d power band that i wouldn't swap with a petrol even if the mpg was the same.

That used to always be the debate when people were comparing run of the mill two litre turbocharged diesel engines against two litre normally aspirated petrol engines.

Now it's hugely common for the petrol engines to also be turbocharged.

They are also setup to produce the torque very low down. The 335i produces maximum torque from 1300rpm.

Even quite a few of the 2.0 turbocharged petrol engines pull from right low down. The new 328i produces maximum torque from 1250rpm. You can toddle along with a diesel like driving style, or open it up a bit and use the extra power.

[Ajs_435d]

I'm a long term petrol owner but you can't deny nowadays they are as quick as the petrol equilivant and lower tax, better Mpg but higher purchase price, look at the new 435d vs 435i the diesel is quicker and slightly more powerful.

Diesel has more energy per unit as petrol and even I thought for a long time I'd never own a diesel, it's the monstrous torque.

There no denying however a diesel is more boring, look at the new vw 2.0 bi turbo diesels engine 268bhp with high 50s Mpg they say!

I don't want to turbo this into a petrol vs diesel slagging match, I still own a fun petrol car!

[JJ0063]

Originally Posted by Kerr

Unless you're doing big miles, I have never have understood the appeal of a diesel. Even the very best of diesel engines don't match a decent petrol engine.

I do between 20-30K a year, which to me is a fair whack & warrrants a diesel. I also prefer the power delivery/torque in comparison to a petrol.

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by ajs_335d

I'm a long term petrol owner but you can't deny nowadays they are as quick as the petrol equilivant and lower tax, better Mpg but higher purchase price, look at the new 435d vs 435i the diesel is quicker and slightly more powerful.

Diesel has more energy per unit as petrol and even I thought for a long time I'd never own a diesel, it's the monstrous torque.

There no denying however a diesel is more boring, look at the new vw 2.0 bi turbo diesels engine 268bhp with high 50s Mpg they say!

I don't want to turbo this into a petrol vs diesel slagging match, I still own a fun petrol car!

The new 435d is 4 wheel drive though. The initial acceleration figures are really good.

0-60mph in 4.8secs and 0-100mph in 11.8secs. That is 0.6sec faster than a N54 E92 335i and needs 4wd and a fancy gearbox to better it. The tested figures show no gain other than the initial start which is hugely assisted by 4wd.

The 435i does 0-100mph in 12.1secs without 4wd. So I'm not convinced the 335d is faster other than the advantage 4wd gives it from a standing start.

We've also got the debate that 4wd BMWs aren't real BMWs too.

Road tax is £120 year cheaper, but if you can afford a £40k+ car, £120 isn't going to break the bank.

It also looks as if we'll see a clamp down on diesels in the not too distant future. Their tax will likely shoot up amongst other measures.

[mob17]

Originally Posted by Kerr

That used to always be the debate when people were comparing run of the mill two litre turbocharged diesel engines against two litre normally aspirated petrol engines.

Now it's hugely common for the petrol engines to also be turbocharged.

They are also setup to produce the torque very low down. The 335i produces maximum torque from 1300rpm.

Even quite a few of the 2.0 turbocharged petrol engines pull from right low down. The new 328i produces maximum torque from 1250rpm. You can toddle along with a diesel like driving style, or open it up a bit and use the extra power.

I agree up to a point.

Like you say the max 335i torque produced at 1300rpm is 295lb ft. The diesel variant is quite a bit higher at 425lbft, but at 1750rpm. Not saying its faster as yes, a 335i is faster and sounds better, but my point is there's roughly 44% more low down torque in the diesel, which enables a lazier driving style than a car. 44% is a lot! There's no way a 335i can be driven like a 335D, and vice versa obviously.

So 2 great cars, 2 different power deliveries and 2 different driving styles.

[Svothe]

Originally Posted by cupraraj

35-40 mpg out of a 335d is rare. not many get it. in my old one i used to see smack on 30 or 31 that was around town A+B roads for about 10miles one way. stop then start again etc.

motorway they do go over 45ish

i think you can expect 30-35 out of it...in winter my 330d has dropped to 28mpg

also...have a look at 335 now. theyve dropped to around the 10k mark. theres a nice 57 on ebay for 11k ONO satnav xenons leather E90 and around 88k on.

snatch it now while people are in need of funds.

I don't think thats right. I've had my 335D for a few weeks now and put around 2000 miles on it all cold winter starts and I'm hitting 38mpg pretty easily on my commute to work. 10 miles country, 10 miles dual carriageway, 10 miles town so a pretty good mix and if I'm sensible I easily get 40mpg if I'm a bit foot heavy still never see short of 35/36mpg. Even on a real booting it fast run around the country lanes with my mates Scooby and Mountune Focus ST and I didn't drop below 31.

I just paid £11k for my 56 plate 335d, 68k miles, red heated interior, every add on other than I Drive and full BMW history. Cars amazing and already mapped!

Oh and

Originally Posted by Sparky68

Had a go against one this week, not as quick as i thought or he wasnt trying lol. Either way, rolling start off a roundabout he was struggling

A mapped 335D should give a standard C63 a decent run to be fair.

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by Svothe

I don't think thats right. I've had my 335D for a few weeks now and put around 2000 miles on it all cold winter starts and I'm hitting 38mpg pretty easily on my commute to work. 10 miles country, 10 miles dual carriageway, 10 miles town so a pretty good mix and if I'm sensible I easily get 40mpg if I'm a bit foot heavy still never see short of 35/36mpg. Even on a real booting it fast run around the country lanes with my mates Scooby and Mountune Focus ST and I didn't drop below 31.

I just paid £11k for my 56 plate 335d, 68k miles, red heated interior, every add on other than I Drive and full BMW history. Cars amazing and already mapped!

Oh and

A mapped 335D should give a standard C63 a decent run to be fair.

That video was from a member on here.

He was doing runs in over 14 seconds at around 104/105mph.

His mate was rubbish in the AMG. His starts are quite clearly dreadful, but look at his terminal speeds in comparison. Almost 10mph faster which is a huge margin over quarter mile.

http://www.crailraceway.co.uk/showco...ate=2014-03-30

Another member on here(Chesney) is doing mid 12 second runs down the same strip with his 335i touring with terminal speeds to compete with the AMG, but obviously as AMG can't start properly, Chesney's times are miles quicker.

An AMG 63 should be getting into the 12s, not struggling in the 14s.

[marknjayne]

Originally Posted by AWBimmer

AMG Merc is so beast I'd love to own one but the amount I've spent on my car I just can see me selling it anytime soon and touch wood no need to. Next year will be the 3rd year of ownership since I bought it with 43,500 on the clock and it's currently on 68k

i did a list of my previous cars the other day...all in all there are 40 lol,the AMG was a C36,nice but a bit lame tbh

here is the list

Cav Sri , montego ,Sierra 1.6 ghia, vauxhall carlton 2.0 , nissan sunny gt , daewoo nubera, escort rs2000 , 2 fiesta zetec s mk5, alfa romeo 156 1.6 t spark , alfa 156 V6, M3 E36 Evo , 206cc, 2 R33 GTR's, R34 GTT, 5 R33 gtst's, 2 nissan 350z , S14a (twice) , audi A3 3.2 V6 , Audi TT 225, 2 Meriva VXR's , subaru legacy GTB (bh5) , subaru impreza wrx , astra gsi, astra 1.6 , vw polo , smart fourtwo, Mercedes c36 amg , MG ZS 180 ,100nx,audi coupe,renault laguna,and my current 335D and S1600 Fiesta

[E92Dan]

Im not going to get into the debate about which is better, but I do think that the feel of any car that you go for is more important for a road car than picking a car because it's 0.5 seconds quicker from point A to point B

[AWBimmer]

Originally Posted by E92Dan

Im not going to get into the debate about which is better, but I do think that the feel of any car that you go for is more important for a road car than picking a car because it's 0.5 seconds quicker from point A to point B

+10

[Svothe]

Originally Posted by AWBimmer

+10

+100

I love the power of the 335d but most of all is that heavy feeling steering as you plough round a bend at silly buggar speeds or the unconcious giggle you produce when you slide past cars that think they're the fastest thing on the road haha.

[Sparky68]

Originally Posted by Svothe

I don't think thats right. I've had my 335D for a few weeks now and put around 2000 miles on it all cold winter starts and I'm hitting 38mpg pretty easily on my commute to work. 10 miles country, 10 miles dual carriageway, 10 miles town so a pretty good mix and if I'm sensible I easily get 40mpg if I'm a bit foot heavy still never see short of 35/36mpg. Even on a real booting it fast run around the country lanes with my mates Scooby and Mountune Focus ST and I didn't drop below 31.

I just paid £11k for my 56 plate 335d, 68k miles, red heated interior, every add on other than I Drive and full BMW history. Cars amazing and already mapped!

Oh and

A mapped 335D should give a standard C63 a decent run to be fair.

To be fair to the Merc driver, mine isnt exactly standard.

[acerboo]

its not 6.3 litres either! I got slated awhile back when I suggested an amg didn't pull away from my 335d easily
id say there is nothing to directly compare with the 335d its a car on its own both in looks and performance/economy

[dy63]

Originally Posted by Svothe

I don't think thats right. I've had my 335D for a few weeks now and put around 2000 miles on it all cold winter starts and I'm hitting 38mpg pretty easily on my commute to work. 10 miles country, 10 miles dual carriageway, 10 miles town so a pretty good mix and if I'm sensible I easily get 40mpg if I'm a bit foot heavy still never see short of 35/36mpg. Even on a real booting it fast run around the country lanes with my mates Scooby and Mountune Focus ST and I didn't drop below 31.

I just paid £11k for my 56 plate 335d, 68k miles, red heated interior, every add on other than I Drive and full BMW history. Cars amazing and already mapped!
.

so thats 30 miles one way to work? your bound to get decent mpg figures.

for the ones that do 10mile one way which id say 5mile is motorway can barely reach 35mpg. thermostats were changed on my 335d 2 months before i brought it and round town driving with a bit of dual carriageway and motorway rarely had it over 34mpg. maybe because yours is low miler maybe its getting better. mine had 92k on and i think many others say the same its very rare they see over 34mpg.

[Edinnit]

I do 7 miles a day.
Maybe twice a month ill do a longish journey, but it gets blasted about when its nice and warm 2 or 3 times a week.

335i. Averaging 20mpg....

Sounds really bad, but when you do 8k a year, its not alot of fuel. Average 30 a week.

Some people would be shocked to find the £££ difference between 20mpg and 30mpg. I imagine its not alot over 20k a year... Someone with good maths skills can work it out