[Malek@MRF]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

FWIW, actual parts cost adds up to 3-4 times your quote

shiv

I would say that is decently accurate.

Creating a plug and play "patch" harness is usually a costly thing, especially if its new to the market or low demand.

I have done a PNP type system before for myself and many others, and coming up with the patch harness alone cost roughly 190 dollars.

[hotrod2448]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

FWIW, actual parts cost adds up to 3-4 times your quote

shiv

Then the OEM connectors must be expensive as hell because, I know what Deutsch DTM series and Bosch relays cost.

I don't know whats in the 02 sims. I didn't think about those because I don't need them yet.

[stressdoc]

IMO in this market segment PnP should be mandatory.

Taped wires? You are asking for trouble in the long run. Most buyers in this segment do not know how to set up a proper harness.

Add on the issues with ease of install, removal for service work, & additional control features, and PnP has some clear advantages.

The pricing point is an interesting Q. This issue centers on Vishnu and how to accommodate V1 & V2 owners that want to upgrade to the V3 PnP. If it were my business -- and it clearly is not, so the following should be taken with a grain of salt -- keeping former customers very happy would be a priority.

In regard to the price point of the V3 vs. Dinan flash, it is still closer to a $900 gap, not $400. Installation costs, tax (no out of state break), and the permanent mark on your service record are important considerations. That said, $1400 is a lot of money ($2300 is even more...). But if horsepower is your priority, the big gains (>50 whp) are relatively cheap.

[lawdude]

To all you Procede owners:

You'd be fools to forego a PnP harness. Just send Dustin your credit card number, drop trow, bend over and hope he has a small weenie.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by lawdude

To all you Procede owners:

You'd be fools to forego a PnP harness. Just send Dustin your credit card number, drop trow, bend over and hope he has a small weenie.

Nice one Mike....

[Kbueno]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

IMO in this market segment PnP should be mandatory.

Taped wires? You are asking for trouble in the long run. Most buyers in this segment do not know how to set up a proper harness.

Add on the issues with ease of install, removal for service work, & additional control features, and PnP has some clear advantages.

The pricing point is an interesting Q. This issue centers on Vishnu and how to accommodate V1 & V2 owners that want to upgrade to the V3 PnP. If it were my business -- and it clearly is not, so the following should be taken with a grain of salt -- keeping former customers very happy would be a priority.

In regard to the price point of the V3 vs. Dinan flash, it is still closer to a $900 gap, not $400. Installation costs, tax (no out of state break), and the permanent mark on your service record are important considerations. That said, $1400 is a lot of money ($2300 is even more...). But if horsepower is your priority, the big gains (>50 whp) are relatively cheap.

+1 You nailed it!

OK, here's my guesstimate/numbers


Actual cost of connectors with 15% markup, 184.00
Labor/harness assembly, 25.00
A reasonable R&D markup. 35.00
Shipping 15.00

=259.00

Not exactly chump change. Still, I'd probably buy.

[remydlc]

Have you heard about China? I've heard they manufacture things for a veeeery cheap price. What cost a 1000K to make in the U.S over there probably cost roughly 10 bucks. Anyway, we are all **cked with corporations taking the jobs offshore.

[ohsnap]

One thing overlooked on a PnP solution is the benefit to alleviate installation errors and not just the ease of installation. This would somewhat be more advantageous for the tuner over the customer.

How many times have there been issues relating to installation with PnP tunes such as the SSTT in comparison with the those tunes utilizing pinout harnesses? No matter how clearly labeled the pinouts are per wire, theres plenty of room for mistakes.

Anyhow, I would think tuners would want a PnP solution to minimize installation issues alone in regards to support. Now if Helix would follow suit

[Tuned335i]

Originally Posted by ohsnap

Anyhow, I would think tuners would want a PnP solution to minimize installation issues alone in regards to support. Now if Helix would follow suit

I wouldn't be surprised if PnP harnesses start showing from the other piggyback manufacturers, considering how much attention the Vishnu PnP implementation has attracted...

[radgator1]

From what I understand PROcede V3 PnP includes 3 wires that aren't part of the harness so if you compare that to JB2 for instance that is just one less pin/wire to attach anyway. I don't see a big need for it for the BMS products. Plus with the PnP harness you cant use the black connector that holds the cable harness to the ecu so there is the risk of it unplugging while you are driving, albeit a small risk.

[Tuned335i]

Originally Posted by radgator1

Plus with the PnP harness you cant use the black connector that holds the cable harness to the ecu so there is the risk of it unplugging while you are driving, albeit a small risk.

+1 Probably a lot less likely than a taped wire splice vibrating loose (which is pretty unlikely IMO).