Tech: Inline Walbro 455 testing ***video inside***

3000GT MR · 03-30-2014, 11:58 AM

This is strictly to document tech data of a new possible fuel pump option.

As you know 07Tundra has been working on a promising e85/high HP solution to adapt a walbro 455 to be an inline pump. He has asked me to test and log the results. So this thread will strictly do just that. Dont ask me about prices, sales, availability, or timelines.

So first things first.
There has been some design improvements that have made this a solid solution. He has worked very hard in making this a complete drop in with no modifications to existing system. Hats off to 07Tundra for taking on this task!

I should be able to provide the first string of data in the next week or two.
The main comparison will be between a inline bosch 044 and the 455 on my ST with no change to tune. I have no doubt that this will out perform it in every way.

Achievements:
-Re-designed to provide a better leak free seal (tested to 100psi of air)
-ATM 90% PnP. Still need 1 small solution for the bundy fitting. (really just an improved one)
-Ready for testing!

I'll let the pictures speak for them selves

BD_F22 · 03-30-2014, 12:27 PM

Is this basically going to be a more affordable option in comparison to the Vishnu LPFP upgrade?

3000GT MR · 03-30-2014, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BD_e92

Is this basically going to be a more affordable option in comparison to the Vishnu LPFP upgrade?

Again this is not a sales pitch. Im simply just testing a non production piece and documenting it here

135Pats · 03-30-2014, 12:39 PM

Interested to see how many amps it draws when run inline. Thank you for documenting.

3000GT MR · 03-30-2014, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 135Pats

Interested to see how many amps it draws when run inline. Thank you for documenting.

I imagine it should draw less than my current pump. IIRC the 044 and 455 are close in the current draw department but the 455 wont be working as hard on non ethanol pump. Now when you start running the pump on e85 then i see the current draw being greater but probably no more than what i already do

135Pats · 03-30-2014, 01:37 PM

Yea. Just curious since I was blowing all those 20 amps with the FFTEC pump running inline. I'd bet it draws just north of 20 amps with E85.

BD_F22 · 03-30-2014, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 3000GT MR

Again this is not a sales pitch. Im simply just testing a non production piece and documenting it here

Absolutely man, just curious because I am in the market for a pump and have been torn between Steve's 255 kit and the Vishnu Kit since I plan on getting RB Turbo's within the year and if this could be an alternative option to the Vishnu kit and not cost me $600 then I may hold off until more testing has been done with this

135Pats · 03-30-2014, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BD_e92

Absolutely man, just curious because I am in the market for a pump and have been torn between Steve's 255 kit and the Vishnu Kit since I plan on getting RB Turbo's within the year and if this could be an alternative option to the Vishnu kit and not cost me $600 then I may hold off until more testing has been done with this

I've used both, Steve's is better thought out for sure. My car is currently down again with another LPFP problem, but it certainly isn't because of his setup. It's very nice.

Ch3ss · 03-30-2014, 03:04 PM

looks promising. subscribed

AlpineSwift · 03-30-2014, 03:11 PM

Having a successful PnP pump for e85 use would be awesome. Looking forward to the results.

WedgePerformance · 03-30-2014, 03:26 PM

Waiting for FFTEC to send the nasty letter...

3000GT MR · 03-30-2014, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WedgePerformance

Waiting for FFTEC to send the nasty letter...

Nothing wrong or illegal. He has full documentation of everything. Also these are currently not for sale, it's just a few one offs that are being tested.

So every single turbo kit is their idea? what difference does it make?

pwr hungry · 03-30-2014, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by WedgePerformance

Waiting for FFTEC to send the nasty letter...

Isn't shiv's pump labeled as a procede product and not an fftec one?

03-30-2014, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 135Pats

Yea. Just curious since I was blowing all those 20 amps with the FFTEC pump running inline. I'd bet it draws just north of 20 amps with E85.

I'm sure it does...Terry proved that a long time ago:
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18382

Looks like 21+ is the expected draw with that setup; no surprise there.

WedgePerformance · 03-30-2014, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pwr hungry

Isn't shiv's pump labeled as a procede product and not an fftec one?

Its listed on the Vishnu site as a co developed product. Regardless,

to Tundra for taking steps to make it better and for less...

3000GT MR · 03-30-2014, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FCobra94

Quote:

Originally Posted by 135Pats

Yea. Just curious since I was blowing all those 20 amps with the FFTEC pump running inline. I'd bet it draws just north of 20 amps with E85.

I'm sure it does...Terry proved that a long time ago:
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18382

Looks like 21+ is the expected draw with that setup; no surprise there.

Just remember Sherri's test is a low friction test and doesn't provide real life data (most fuel pump tests for that natter). OK it flows a certain amount thru a regulator and a small amount of hose. Some major factors we play with and must overcome is filters, regulator, 2 jet pumps, long small dia lines and demand from the hpfp. The higher friction system is where pumps in series really shine to give a consistent flow at a consistent pressure. Although in a lower friction system yes parallel would flow more. As far as amp draw, I don't see it being a problem. There's a lot of singles out there running them with no issues. I'm making my 044 scream right now and that's no light weight on current draw, I haven't even upped my fuse to a 25 amp either. I'm no guru on ethanol because I don't have access to it but I'm pretty sure the HPFP will run out of steam before a 455 in series does.

135Pats · 03-30-2014, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 3000GT MR

Just remember Sherri's test is a low friction test and doesn't provide real life data (most fuel pump tests for that natter). OK it flows a certain amount thru a regulator and a small amount of hose. Some major factors we play with and must overcome is filters, regulator, 2 jet pumps, long small dia lines and demand from the hpfp. The higher friction system is where pumps in series really shine to give a consistent flow at a consistent pressure. Although in a lower friction system yes parallel would flow more. As far as amp draw, I don't see it being a problem. There's a lot of singles out there running them with no issues. I'm making my 044 scream right now and that's no light weight on current draw, I haven't even upped my fuse to a 25 amp either. I'm no guru on ethanol because I don't have access to it but I'm pretty sure the HPFP will run out of steam before a 455 in series does.

Yes, for sure. That setup will likely support all you need on the low pressure side outside of the absolute most aggressive targets. My problem is no longer with amps, but my car is down for the 4th time in 2014 due to LPFP issues. I'm at a loss...

3000GT MR · 03-31-2014, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 135Pats

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3000GT MR

Just remember Sherri's test is a low friction test and doesn't provide real life data (most fuel pump tests for that natter). OK it flows a certain amount thru a regulator and a small amount of hose. Some major factors we play with and must overcome is filters, regulator, 2 jet pumps, long small dia lines and demand from the hpfp. The higher friction system is where pumps in series really shine to give a consistent flow at a consistent pressure. Although in a lower friction system yes parallel would flow more. As far as amp draw, I don't see it being a problem. There's a lot of singles out there running them with no issues. I'm making my 044 scream right now and that's no light weight on current draw, I haven't even upped my fuse to a 25 amp either. I'm no guru on ethanol because I don't have access to it but I'm pretty sure the HPFP will run out of steam before a 455 in series does.

Yes, for sure. That setup will likely support all you need on the low pressure side outside of the absolute most aggressive targets. My problem is no longer with amps, but my car is down for the 4th time in 2014 due to LPFP issues. I'm at a loss...

what issues are you exactly having? PM me

135Pats · 03-31-2014, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 3000GT MR

what issues are you exactly having? PM me

Don’t want to derail your thread so PM sent.

With regards to this pump, really nice work by 07Tundra. No idea what he’ll be able to get the cost to if he moves forward with it, but that routing and hose design is superior to the FFTEC pump in my mind. FFTEC pump flows very, very well but is overpriced and I was not particularly happy with the quality of the lines and fittings used. Gates submersible on a $600 pump? C’mon.

07tundra · 03-31-2014, 12:13 PM

Just installed mine today start to finish was about 1hr. That's including splicing all wires necessary for the install. No check engine light or codes or anything! car runs great. Made a you tube video of second gear pull that I will post up later today on you-tube its only like 30 seconds long...lol. I am not selling these currently l'm just letting everyone know that it works and it works well!

135Pats · 03-31-2014, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 07tundra

Just installed mine today start to finish was about 1hr. That's including splicing all wires necessary for the install. No check engine light or codes or anything! car runs great. Made a you tube video of second gear pull that I will post up later today on you-tube its only like 30 seconds long...lol. I am not selling these currently l'm just letting everyone know that it works and it works well!

Have a spare 20 amp on you if you are running that setup. Trust me

tc535i · 03-31-2014, 12:16 PM

Definitely interested, as I have a local gas station with e85 and want to start messing around with it, but don't trust my stock pumps on their own.

I really need to get my datalogging set up and see what it's doing

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3000GT MR Major 265 Rep 1,392 Posts Drives: 09 335i/3000gt vr4 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Sav GA iTrader: (6)	Tech: Inline Walbro 455 testing *video inside* This is strictly to document tech data of a new possible fuel pump option. As you know 07Tundra has been working on a promising e85/high HP solution to adapt a walbro 455 to be an inline pump. He has asked me to test and log the results. So this thread will strictly do just that. Dont ask me about prices, sales, availability, or timelines. So first things first. There has been some design improvements that have made this a solid solution. He has worked very hard in making this a complete drop in with no modifications to existing system. Hats off to 07Tundra for taking on this task! I should be able to provide the first string of data in the next week or two. The main comparison will be between a inline bosch 044 and the 455 on my ST with no change to tune. I have no doubt that this will out perform it in every way. Achievements: -Re-designed to provide a better leak free seal (tested to 100psi of air) -ATM 90% PnP. Still need 1 small solution for the bundy fitting. (really just an improved one) -Ready for testing! I'll let the pictures speak for them selves Attached Images __________________ Have a single turbo and/or tired of burning up O2 sensors? Ask me about the new ADV O2 sensor retro kits! 335i 2010 e92 M-sport Mods: VM Top mount 6466, Aquamist HSF4 w/custom direct port. VRSF IC + Exhaust 335i 2009 e90 665RWHP VFF900 ST RIP . Last edited by 3000GT MR; 04-02-2014 at 09:34 AM..
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135Pats Major General 456 Rep 6,478 Posts Drives: A few BMWs Join Date: May 2012 Location: Maryland iTrader: (3)	Yea. Just curious since I was blowing all those 20 amps with the FFTEC pump running inline. I'd bet it draws just north of 20 amps with E85. __________________ E88 N54 Alpinweiss/Coral Red/Motiv HTA 3586r Tial .82AR/Other stuff...652WHP F30 N55 XDrive EBII
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