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      04-25-2006, 05:44 PM   #1
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E90 to E92..

Do you guys believe a facelift will get done to the sedan because the E90 exterior design have been somewhat of a failure? I don't think it is and I thought E90 has been successful since it has been selling well. I know that there has been a facelift for the E46 but was it that drastic? We can pretty much say that nothing has been confirmed and its just speculations but It looks like it's possible.

I thought it would be nice to keep the sedan and coupe seperate (they are both great designs imho) and upgrade the engines. This is the reason why I thought 3 series/4 series would be good idea (even though many won't agree). I am honestly not saying this because I own a 330 and want a 335 but I haven't really heard people complaining about the E90 design on the forum which prevented them from buying it (there has been few people but majority likes it)
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      04-25-2006, 05:48 PM   #2
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Do you guys believe a facelift will get done to the sedan because the E90 exterior design have been somewhat of a failure? I don't think it is and I thought E90 has been successful since it has been selling well. I know that there has been a facelift for the E46 but was it that drastic? We can pretty much say that nothing has been confirmed and its just speculations but It looks like it's possible.

I thought it would be nice to keep the sedan and coupe seperate (they are both great designs imho) and upgrade the engines. This is the reason why I thought 3 series/4 series would be good idea (even though many won't agree). I am honestly not saying this because I own a 330 and want a 335 but I haven't really heard people complaining about the E90 design on the forum which prevented them from buying it (there has been few people but majority likes it)
I think the exterior of the E90 has been considered a success, not a failure... look at the skyhigh E90 sales

But as for the facelift, its basicly a guarantee that there will be one done. For every BMW now a facelift is mandatory. The question is one of extent. For the more niche cars, bmw has been more conservative with facelifts since its not economically worth it to retool for low volume cars. But for a car like the 3-series which is bread and butter, they are usually a bit more involved. My guess would be ( from the past patterns ), for there to be a new front/rear bumpers, and new headlamp and kidney grill designs. Possibly a slight change in the hood, but nothing very noticeable, maybee a technical change to accomidate a new bumper.

As for the E46 facelift, the facelifted car is the one I own, you probably dont remember it from the meet, but check out my sig at the bottom. The facelift for my car involved new front/rear bumpers, new front fenders, and a new front hood. The overall shape of the car looked identical, but the new look of the front made the car alot more sleek IMO. Some people (like my mom) couldn't notice the change. I think its a matter of perspective. As a car nut, you will most definitly notice the change
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I am not sure where you are getting this, but I have heard that the e90 is selling extremely well - in fact in Canada BMW has lowered the lease residuals and upped the finance rate.

I think that there was always thought by BMW AG to differentiante the coupe from the sedan - hence at one point the thought given to different designations altogether. I think that this is why the look of the two are and will be diffenrent in a way.
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      04-25-2006, 05:52 PM   #4
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Which begs the question...should one go for the E92 or wait for the facelift? I just love the E92.
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This is CRAZY TALK! First of all the E90 has been a huge succes. BMW sales numbers worldwide are up significantly due in large part to the E90 since E90 is BMW bread and butter.

The E90 isn't even a year old. Why would BMW spend the money to do a facelift so early in the model cycle to a car that's successful. That would be dumb. All this speculation about models and changes is getting kinda rediculous. Give it a rest already.
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I know that the design has been a success and it has been selling well and that is why I was asking this question in the first place...

I do remember your car Mark but I'm not too familiar with E46 since I never owned one. Your car is actually in my signature behind mine if you take a closer look
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I know that the design has been a success and it has been selling well and that is why I was asking this question in the first place...

I do remember your car Mark but I'm not too familiar with E46 since I never owned one. Your car is actually in my signature behind mine if you take a closer look
Yea your right, nice

Anyways, hope this helps you my man... here is the E46 Sedan NONFACELIFT:



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and then the FACELIFTED ONE:



Summary: Different bumper, different lights, different hood and different front fenders. Stil the same exact car, so the changes can be retrofitted to non-facelifted car with some $$ (has been done many times in the e46 world).
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it's far too soon for a facelift on the E90. It was premiered as 2006 model, so I'd say the earliest refresh will come for 2009 or 2010, based solely on past BMW trends. A new motor doesn't necessarily mean the model will get a facelift, as seen with the 545i to 550i or the 645Ci to 650i. Granted the 7er got a facelift with the intro of the 750i, but it was also about 4 years after the debut of the E65, so it was pretty much right on schedule.
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I was thinking if we see an e90 facelift it will happen in 2008. That’s approximately 2 years after the e90 was released. Gives time for the new e92 look to sink in and lets BMW judge whether that look is a success. They can also decide whether the e92 look on an e90 will pay off.
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It's definitely too early to be talking about a facelift for the E90. As others have stated, it's such a new design. Also, I don't think that a refresh for the E90 would be well timed for at least a couple of years because BMW is pushing the unique facia and rear of the E92 so why would BMW make the E90 look anything more close to the E92 and erode the caché of the E92? I would think that BMW would keep the E90 as is to highlght the distinctiveness of the E92. Even BMW's documents for dealers emphasize the unique body of the E92 as compared to the E90.

The only little tweak I foresee for the E90 would be a new rear bumper to take advantage of and accomodate the new exhaust arrangement of the 335 and maybe a mildy altered front bumper.
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      04-25-2006, 07:36 PM   #11
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I think the E90 will get clear lenses and the detached amber reflectors on the wheel well like the E92....just guessing of course. They'll do more of an M treatment on the front end too...as the model ages they have to jack up the "sport/cool factor".
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The E90 needs a new set of taillights and a new front grille - and that's probably what it will get when it is facelifted. Moving the amber reflectors to a place where they can actually be removed goes without saying. Everything else is fine.
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E92 taillights and non-eyelids on the kidneys would be sufficient for the E90. The E92 taillights totally pwn the E90's.
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"here is the E46 Sedan NONFACELIFT"
Wow! Never realized there were such drastic facelift changes for the E46. Always only noticed the light trim and the bumpers, but never the hood.
What if we ask the question another way.
Has there ever been a model year change that also wasn't accompanied by some cosmetic changes? I really don't know, but it seems like there is always some change.
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it is too early for e90 for facelift, please!! It usually happens like mid life cycle-consider that e46-1998-2005- facelft-2002, so e90 should get facelift around 2009-2010. i agree with imperial about time for facelift. don't worry the e90 will still be a fresh design and will not get metal 'plastic surgery' for another 3-4 years. Engine change/upgrades are less predictable in the life span of the car.
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Imo the e90 has already shown glimps of it aging due to the launch of the e92 coupe. My first impression was that the e90 was kinda bland BUT then again it's a sedan...i'm sure there will be changes lined up.
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i have also noticed that bmw does not facelift their M models despite a model facelift. Consider the Z3 M roadster and the E46 M3 coupe and convertible which had no exterior changes done when their non m models were facelifted.
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That's becos the M cars are bought for what they are prodominately made for...performance. Sales of these don't slide like non M cars do, and therefore there is no call for facelifts.
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hi aem, i think its a shame that m cars don't go under the knife despite being sold for performance, the e46 m3 CS coupe will look much better with a facelift coupe front, more up to date.
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I hear yah but i think BMW have made a good decision not to do facelifts on the M cars.

Speaking of changes, didnt the M3 CSL has some body changes over the normal M3?





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E46 M3 CS exterior mods were mainly 19 inch CSL rims, the rest were suspension changes. i have seen a few in my area. only big difference that strikes me is the 19 inch rims. M3 CSL is a different beast with different front bumper, racing bucket seats, different rear bonnet- more hard core!
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They need to change the grill/hoodto match the E92 - maybe the taillights - other than that the E90 is puuurrrrrrect! :rocks:
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