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That 7-0 has to be on drag strip. On track it would be 0-7 against even stock M3.
The 335i or is are way more easy and cheaper to modify for straight line acceleration. However, this advantage does not mean that S65 is not a better engineered engine for track purposes. Neither does it over come the fact that 335i or is suspension wise or brakes wise or overall transmission technology wise are inferior. Either way I love both cars but for different reasons. Quote:
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How many e90/e92 M3s have been sold? How many 335s have been sold?
Compare that to the total enrollment of every message board about these cars. We are <1% of the owners of these cars that actually come online and talk about them. I bet if you polled every owner you see what the engine designation is in their car they would have no clue. We don't mean shit to BMW corporate in effect of sales numbers. T |
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IMHO BMW advertising made up the ultimate driving machine as a sales tool which has worked well even though an infinitesimal number of BMW have ever actually been run. Personally if I was serious about racing & was going out as much as I could I would not pick a BMW for Drag, Track or both. This is a topic for old threads & has been beaten to death. Its pretty oblivious I do like BMWs, have 3 of them sitting in my driveway. Its nothing against the M3 & happy to see BMW making some serious adjustments for out of the box power with the upcoming M4. Choice for my next DD will be the M4 or Stingray even though it looks like a Camaro from the back.
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Thinking about it now, it would cost a cool 20k to properly mod an M3 to put down ~560whp. At that price, you are better off just buying a used Turbo S, a ZR1 or a GTR. But, the aesthetic appeal of the S65 M3 can't be matched by those cars, IMO. I'm CLEARLY biased but, gotta accept the facts. It's VERY expensive to make an M3 fast, in a straight line. |
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Different strokes for different folks, I love my 335, great power potential, good gas mileage, cheaper maintenance, m3 is a great but it lacks power. Track wise m3 is great but I never go to the track so it's pointless. But new m3 with twin turbos... Can't wait for that....
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And if you look at the compilation vid posted in this very thread, I put 2-3 cars on a 996 turbo which had a turbo upgrade, exhaust, GIAC tune. Put 2-3 cars on a stock 2013 GTR, and previously at Shift-Sector, tied Robert/Vishnu's built Z06 with heads/cam/exhaust and lightened making 585 RWHP. I paid a lot less for my M3 plus mods than what these guys have in their cars.
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for the past few weeks i have been driving a 1M around and my cousin just bought a M3. both cars have bolt on exhaust. Stock to stock, the M3 would slightly edge out the 1M from 40-140. Then the 1M owner tuned the 1M. Last night i put at least 4-6 cars on the M3. I personally own an M3 but there is no denying the potential of the N54. Would i trade my M3 for a 335i, no. Would i trade my M3 for a 1M, most likely.
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I'm not the kind of person that cares to drag race against other cars. All those kill vids you posted are nice but, you won't find me driving at those events. I much prefer tracking my car, as the forces and sustained speeds (over time) are much higher. As such, I'm not going to take a 500+whp sports car to the track without the proper chassis mods. Brakes, wheels, tires, coilovers, suspension setup, additional cooling, seats, maybe a partial roll cage, maybe a new diff and maybe chassis stiffeners are all going to add up quite fast. The cars I mentioned are better suited to track duty than an M3. I'd even think that you could mod all three to produce around 500whp and track them safely and successfully with minimal chassis mods (compared to an M3). The numbers may well be much closer, in that case. Edit: if drag racing was my only concern, I'd forget the M3 and buy an N54 135i. I'd buy a single turbo from Shiv, all the necessary chassis mods, spend even less money than you did and still beat everyone. But, that's just not my style. Last edited by Jonjt; 03-14-2013 at 10:23 AM.. |
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Remember, I cannot speak for you, I can only share my opinion about how I would do things. Obviously, what works for you will not work for me. The idea of what works is a subjective idea, because no one here modifies and tunes their cars with all the tools and procedures that engineers use to asses the performance of their designs. Therefore, what works for someone is basically whatever feels good. |
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I used to race an FSAE race car, with Formula SAE. Not racing anything now. I don't have a car worth tracking. I was thinking about buying an M3 at the end of the year, provided things go well for me financially. I just don't know which generation. I'd love to have an E92 for mixed track/street use but, an E36 or an E46 would be cheaper and, I could really turn them into track "beasts".
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Definitely agree about the 335's chassis not being an M3 rival on the track. But, those single turbo N54s are ridiculous in a straight line.
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