[evilmankev]

http://forum.fdzone.org/j.php?u=http...layer_embedded
And if anyone can explain what causes this crash?

[DUI Elite]

Yes it is. Looks like he went over a bump and didn't have traction control on.

Back end slipped out a bit and he didn't correct properly. Summer tires in cold temps are also a possibility in what caused him to slide.

[evilmankev]

This actually happened in Hong Kong so i guess temperature wise should be quite high, yeah alot of people on this forum did say traction was off and driver conter steer but still have his foot on accelerater.
found this clip from members in HK region.

[SteveC]

the cause of the accident was a complete loss of grip. The car simply skated over the road, so best guess is a combination of very slick road surface, no DTC and most probably some worn down tyres.

Friend of mine lost a 5 series on the autobahn in a similar way. Small undulation, worn tyres (still above legal limit) and slick surface. Tow guy told him they haul high performance cars off that stretch of highway on a very regular basis.

[willhollin]

Maybe track tyres on or very worn rears.

Fucked up big time.

[A_P]

WOW so unfortunate. Hope no one was hurt too badly.

[mowflow]

By the way the car drops just before it veers off I'd say the driver had put their foot down to sneak in that left hand lane rather than taking the slip road that all the other cars in his lane are taking.

Traction control must have been off and the road looks like a skating rink. Shirt answer. The driver is a tool.

[RAR]

If you look very closely (i've re-played it over 10+ times) you can clearly see him accelerate just before he hits the little bump and the combination of his driving skill, wet roads and traction control possibly being off led to him performing the involuntary 360! Nice.

[Mart1000]

Short wheelbase+mega power+wet roads+DTC off=stupidity. This driver was doomed when he collected the keys.

[Laney]

He doesn't seem to be concentrating on the road all that much either. He drifts slightly from one edge of the lane to another a couple of times before hand. He taps his brakes when he's not that close to the vehicle in front. Possible on the phone and driving with one hand. Hence the lack of control when it all goes wrong.

[kaishang]

Originally Posted by evilmankev

And if anyone can explain what causes this crash?

He's driving along the trunk road from Causeway Bay to Central in Hong Kong. Temperatures are unlikely to be below 10C and could be significantly higher. Wind appears nominal.

He is in an expensive bright orange BMW.

I surmise that his mainland girlfriend in the passenger seat was giving him a BJ at the time.

[xenon]

Never mind that, the traffic on the nearside two lanes did my head in just watching.

[kaishang]

Originally Posted by xenon

Never mind that, the traffic on the nearside two lanes did my head in just watching.

Quite good lane discipline and observance of the solid dividing line between lanes (you can exit, but not enter the LH lanes). If this was in UK then the camera car lane would be clogged with chumps trying to merge left.

[xenon]

Originally Posted by kaishang

Quite good lane discipline and observance of the solid dividing line between lanes (you can exit, but not enter the LH lanes). If this was in UK then the camera car lane would be clogged with chumps trying to merge left.

It would and I'd be one of them I wouldn't sit in a queue like that for anyone.

[creepy coupe]

Originally Posted by xenon

It would and I'd be one of them I wouldn't sit in a queue like that for anyone.

That's why there are queues like that. Because of drivers who barg in.

[xenon]

Other than the bloke in the 1M, who barged in rather too literally, there wasn't anyone pushing in that I could see.

I couldn't stand traffic like that. I spent a few weeks in Seoul recently and the traffic queues made me ill. It took me nearly two hours to get to the hotel from the office, a distance of about 15 miles. It's fcuking mental in the Far East.

[kaishang]

When I watched that vid, it came up with an advert for "mature dating UK" with a granny in skimpy dress.....

[creepy coupe]

Originally Posted by xenon

Other than the bloke in the 1M, who barged in rather too literally, there wasn't anyone pushing in that I could see.

I wasn't talking about the drivers in the video. More of why when a similar situation arises here in the UK and we get people barging in.

I was in a queue on the M2 for Bluewater on Sunday with just such a scenario. I don't see what right drivers have to jump the queue

[A_P]

Originally Posted by kaishang

When I watched that vid, it came up with an advert for "mature dating UK" with a granny in skimpy dress.....

Haha so.... so... random.

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by Laney

He doesn't seem to be concentrating on the road all that much either. He drifts slightly from one edge of the lane to another a couple of times before hand. He taps his brakes when he's not that close to the vehicle in front. Possible on the phone and driving with one hand. Hence the lack of control when it all goes wrong.

Completely agreed with you.
His car slipped before accident and that is a strong indication that his DTC is off.

He is keeping good distance and braking without reason indicating that he is messing with something, possibly phone or G.F.

I also agree with others who are mentioning that wet coditions, possible poor tyres and lack of concentration + 1M made it happened.


I just think, it could be any of us on that car and could have done it.

That is why, it is strongly recommended to keep DTC on.

[Squintstream]

Originally Posted by makkan00

That is why, it is strongly recommended to keep DTC on.

I find that the DTC rarely impedes the driving experience/performance, except when it can bog you down a little when pulling away briskly. Due to this, I never find the need to switch it off.

If I ever took the car on a track day, I may choose to play with the magic button, but not on the public highway and certainly not in conditions like that.

Perhaps the driver thought it necessary to activate DTC/DSC when getting into the car and didn't realise it was on all the time as standard?

[sheps]

Lots of balanced, technical reasoning here.
I'll throw my hat in the ring;
The driver is a clueless Fucktard.
If you choose to drive in the wet, with traction off (which it obviously is) in a 300+bhp car you absolutely have to be on the ball, the whole time.
No nattering to passengers, no fiddling with your iPod and no playing with your cock.
If you want to disengage your brain and look at the scenery don't use WOT in the wet with traction off.
If you can't catch a slide at that low speed a) you aren't paying attention and b) you don't have sufficient talent to allow you to touch the traction button.