VK Motorwerks 135/335i Direct Mount Intercooler

Vince@ V K Motorwerks · 01-18-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cn555ic

Next mod pending time and money is this FMIC and CPE's DPs which should come out shortly...after that I AM DONE...well maybe Shiv's Meth!

As an FYI, we launched our Downpipes as well yesterday. Please check it out here.. Both products will be available on your website for ordering Monday.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201581

edo · 01-18-2009, 05:16 PM

If I have catless DPs (stock catback), DCI and Vishnu RevII, I can only use Stage 1 maps (stock catback).
Does getting a FMIC make sense? I'll have the same power but less boost will be needed to reach it. However, I can't use Stage 2 or Stage 3 maps with stock catback even if I get a FMIC. That means that getting a FMIC with my set up will only benefit for the long term reliability of turbos? But no power increase? Right?

Banker335i · 01-18-2009, 10:00 PM

how does the car know how much ph you want? if it was lowering the psi to keep the same power i mean. why wouldent the hp just go up because of more boost going in?

kenneth · 01-18-2009, 10:24 PM

I believe they may have just turned down the boost for the runs with their intercooler with the same result.

Had they not turned down boost, guess power would have been significantly higher.

Anyway, I am just reading between the lines, but will let Vince give answer.

Banker335i · 01-18-2009, 11:04 PM

Well that makes since, but from what he said it sounds like the Car compensated HP by lowering boost. But like I said, how would the car know. I’m hoping he lowered the boost to keep the same power. cuz if not, then that means that the car can do whatever it wants or whatever it thinks you want...lol. I hope he replies with ..."we lowered boost" but that’s not what he said originally i dont think.

Banker335i · 01-18-2009, 11:07 PM

so does that mean its safe to run 17-18 psi, cus the turbos are putting out 15-16 psi worth of work? or fuck no? lol

jpsimon · 01-18-2009, 11:07 PM

There is a pressure drop with any aftermarket FMIC.. usually ~.5-1psi on this car. The car will make the same power as it did before while running less boost.

You can then essentially up the boost, and get more power than before.

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Originally Posted by Banker335i

Well that makes since, but from what he said it sounds like the Car compensated HP by lowering boost. But like I said, how would the car know. I’m hoping he lowered the boost to keep the same power. cuz if not, then that means that the car can do whatever it wants or whatever it thinks you want...lol. I hope he replies with ..."we lowered boost" but that’s not what he said originally i dont think.

Crazy Bimmer · 01-19-2009, 12:07 AM

Can i install this on my 328i?

Nice work guys! These should sell well!

Former_Boosted_IS · 01-19-2009, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Bimmer

Can i install this on my 328i?

Nice work guys! These should sell well!

LOL!!! You don't have a turbo on a 328!

BMW_TT · 01-19-2009, 08:48 AM

This pricing is very attractive. I wish someone can compare this to the Code3/Spearco IC.

BMW_TT · 01-19-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Bimmer

Can i install this on my 328i?

Nice work guys! These should sell well!

Are you serious???

Vince@ V K Motorwerks · 01-19-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Bimmer

Can i install this on my 328i?

Nice work guys! These should sell well!

twin turbo the NSX, well make one for that!

Crazy Bimmer · 01-19-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

LOL!!! You don't have a turbo on a 328!

Lies!!

I just installed two of these in the car.

They need better cooling since it gets hot in there. Poor guys.

scheherazade · 01-19-2009, 12:28 PM

$875 intro price,
What's the -normal- price?

-scheherazade

danniexi · 01-19-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Bimmer

Lies!!

I just installed two of these in the car.

They need better cooling since it gets hot in there. Poor guys.

made me lol

and the FMIC looks great guys! sounds very appealing!

Proper Motion LLC · 01-19-2009, 12:45 PM

You should also post a dyno of stock intercooler @ 12-14 PSI vs your Intercooler @ 12-14 PSI.

Showing that your intercooler makes the same power @ lower PSI vs the stock intercooler @ higher PSI confuses lots of people lol

Vince@ V K Motorwerks · 01-19-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 09AlpineTTSedan

You should also post a dyno of stock intercooler @ 12-14 PSI vs your Intercooler @ 12-14 PSI.

Showing that your intercooler makes the same power @ lower PSI vs the stock intercooler @ higher PSI confuses lots of people lol

Yeah, I see that. I was hoping Shiv would explain it in more detail because the power is being dictated by the Procede. I think we will do another dyno this week on a stock car. If anyone is in the Chicago area and willing to let us use their car please PM me. Also If there is a 135i I would like to show some pictures of this installed on a 135i. Look out for the stock dyno numbers this week.

-Vince

Banker335i · 01-19-2009, 01:25 PM

ok..so how much boost can we run now?

Banker335i · 01-19-2009, 01:26 PM

i wanna see hp figures also just cuz i need to compare to the Code3/Spearco IC

Proper Motion LLC · 01-19-2009, 01:26 PM

Dont dyno a stock 8-9 PSI car. I dont think youll see eye opening gains. And its not like upgraded intercoolers are going to be going on stock cars.

So the procede is lowering boost? Maybe find a JBx or SSTT car to test on?

OpenFlash · 01-19-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 09AlpineTTSedan

You should also post a dyno of stock intercooler @ 12-14 PSI vs your Intercooler @ 12-14 PSI.

Showing that your intercooler makes the same power @ lower PSI vs the stock intercooler @ higher PSI confuses lots of people lol

For that, you'd have to use the Stg 2 map when running the stock FMIC and the Stg 3 map when running the upgraded FMIC since Stg 3 runs more boost given the reduction in pressure loss and lower IAT. But I understand Vince wanting to keep all things equal.

However, in doing so he gave the stock FMIC got an unfair advantage by running a more aggressive/higher boost than it should

But ultimately, FMICs are a tough thing to test on a dyno because their major benefit isn't so much making more power. But making power consistently, run after run after run. If you did 5 back to back runs with minimal cooldown, the stock FMIC set-up would put the stock FMIC set-up to shame.

Shiv

Kris · 01-19-2009, 02:54 PM

Vince, is this a direct bolt on for the 135 too? I know we spoke about this a few months back..

kris

01-18-2009, 05:16 PM	#46
edo ****** 53 Rep 886 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: hell iTrader: (1)	Did I get it right? If I have catless DPs (stock catback), DCI and Vishnu RevII, I can only use Stage 1 maps (stock catback). Does getting a FMIC make sense? I'll have the same power but less boost will be needed to reach it. However, I can't use Stage 2 or Stage 3 maps with stock catback even if I get a FMIC. That means that getting a FMIC with my set up will only benefit for the long term reliability of turbos? But no power increase? Right? __________________ Mods: RB turbos, JB4, BMS DCI, Scoops, Forge DVs, ar design catless DPs, Milltek exhaust system, Helix FMIC, Quaife LSD, VK MotorWerks OC Kit, Bilstein B16 PSS10
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Banker335i Second Lieutenant 8 Rep 271 Posts Drives: BMW 2008 335i Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington iTrader: (0)	how does the car know how much ph you want? if it was lowering the psi to keep the same power i mean. why wouldent the hp just go up because of more boost going in?
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01-18-2009, 10:24 PM	#48
kenneth Major General 125 Rep 8,745 Posts Drives: 335i Sedan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Montreal iTrader: (16)	I believe they may have just turned down the boost for the runs with their intercooler with the same result. Had they not turned down boost, guess power would have been significantly higher. Anyway, I am just reading between the lines, but will let Vince give answer. __________________ SB, Terra, 6MT. Only a few mods here and there.....nothing extreme!
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01-18-2009, 11:04 PM	#49
Banker335i Second Lieutenant 8 Rep 271 Posts Drives: BMW 2008 335i Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington iTrader: (0)	Well that makes since, but from what he said it sounds like the Car compensated HP by lowering boost. But like I said, how would the car know. I’m hoping he lowered the boost to keep the same power. cuz if not, then that means that the car can do whatever it wants or whatever it thinks you want...lol. I hope he replies with ..."we lowered boost" but that’s not what he said originally i dont think.
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Banker335i Second Lieutenant 8 Rep 271 Posts Drives: BMW 2008 335i Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington iTrader: (0)	so does that mean its safe to run 17-18 psi, cus the turbos are putting out 15-16 psi worth of work? or fuck no? lol
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BMW_TT Colonel 224 Rep 2,548 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (4)	This pricing is very attractive. I wish someone can compare this to the Code3/Spearco IC.
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Proper Motion LLC Custom Powder Coater 147 Rep 2,784 Posts Drives: White 335i Sedan Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Orange County CA iTrader: (2)	You should also post a dyno of stock intercooler @ 12-14 PSI vs your Intercooler @ 12-14 PSI. Showing that your intercooler makes the same power @ lower PSI vs the stock intercooler @ higher PSI confuses lots of people lol __________________ www.propermotion714.com
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Banker335i Second Lieutenant 8 Rep 271 Posts Drives: BMW 2008 335i Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington iTrader: (0)	ok..so how much boost can we run now?
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Banker335i Second Lieutenant 8 Rep 271 Posts Drives: BMW 2008 335i Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington iTrader: (0)	i wanna see hp figures also just cuz i need to compare to the Code3/Spearco IC
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Kris Colonel 123 Rep 2,295 Posts Drives: m3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USOFA iTrader: (0)	Vince, is this a direct bolt on for the 135 too? I know we spoke about this a few months back.. kris
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