Juice Box Stage 3 ($375) or active autowerke($1200) ?

Bmuenster02 · 07-03-2009, 03:02 PM

hello, just got my 09 335 xdrive coupe about a week ago...im looking for some instant HP gains without dropping to much money. Juice Box makes a stage 3 PnP Ecu for $375 that claims 60+ hp gains, that sounds like a great deal is there any known downfalls of this product compared to the very expensive active autowerke or RD sport ecu ($1200-1500). or is there any other cheap options?

Sniz · 07-03-2009, 03:24 PM

procede or jb3

search you will tons of things on this.

a few flash tunes on the horizon as well.

ohaywood · 07-03-2009, 03:26 PM

JB3 is definitely the way to go.

roadkillrob · 07-03-2009, 03:28 PM

Forget about AA - they forgot about updates long ago - as stated above, the only 2 tunes really playing right now are the JB3 and the procede.

The JB3 plug and play is actually $579 - the price you have is for the pinout version - do yourself a favor and get the PNP. The procede is just over a grand and provides some more user adjustment and is easier to update, has logging etc, so if you want that stuff, the procede might be worth the extra dough.

The other option on the horizon are some flashes - the one from GIAC may be promising and not a bad price, put for now the piggybacks are ruling.

ar design · 07-03-2009, 03:33 PM

I'd go with the ESS flash tune. If you want a piggyback, we carry the JB3. PM me, we can get you hooked up!

bulldog_yyc · 07-03-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ar design

I'd go with the ESS flash tune. If you want a piggyback, we carry the JB3. PM me, we can get you hooked up!

Has there been further development on the stage 3 or 4?

ar design · 07-03-2009, 05:59 PM

We have been running 3 and 4 on a number of customer cars with great results.

5soko · 07-03-2009, 11:33 PM

JB3 4 sure.

David 12 · 07-03-2009, 11:43 PM

For the price and gains, the JB3 is hard to beat - I would wait until you have about 500 miles first before installing the tune.

skate_E92 · 07-03-2009, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadkillrob

Forget about AA - they forgot about updates long ago - as stated above, the only 2 tunes really playing right now are the JB3 and the procede.

The JB3 plug and play is actually $579 - the price you have is for the pinout version - do yourself a favor and get the PNP. The procede is just over a grand and provides some more user adjustment and is easier to update, has logging etc, so if you want that stuff, the procede might be worth the extra dough.

The other option on the horizon are some flashes - the one from GIAC may be promising and not a bad price, put for now the piggybacks are ruling.

i called aa the other day with some questions and they have a few new products on the way the im pretty sure everyone will be intrested in...

brianhn1 · 07-03-2009, 11:58 PM

Don't hold your breath. JB3 is the way to go.

skate_E92 · 07-04-2009, 01:11 AM

to each his own... i still have yet to make the decision on which tune to go with

but jb3 just seems like a hassle and they dont seem to have as much experience (m3 turbo kits, superchargers etc.)? im no engine tech or tuner pro, thats just what ive come to from reading around. i think these new aa products are gonna have alot of people intrested... dont take my word for it give them a call and ask!?!

Bmuenster02 · 07-04-2009, 01:56 AM

they have a deal its $579 for the JB3 but for $100 more you get the dual cone intake combo...is that a nice set of intakes or is their better?

David 12 · 07-04-2009, 10:44 AM

The JB3 and DCI combo price point is fantastic; plus it looks like you also get free shipping. As far as hp gains, I think the BMS DCI is competitive.

In my opinion, the JB3 PNP is anything but a hassle, proven to be safe with great customer service.

Sal@AUTOcouture · 07-04-2009, 01:29 PM

JB3 for sure

smartys · 07-04-2009, 02:01 PM

From what I've read on here, the JB3 is probably the best bang for buck power, and most ppl don't seem to have issues. And this is coming from someone running a dinan tune....But if you did any aftermarket tune/piggy, I would also invest in a BT scanner to clear any potential error codes that might be thrown.

lawdude · 07-04-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by smartys

But if you did any aftermarket tune/piggy, I would also invest in a BT scanner to clear any potential error codes that might be thrown.

If all you want to do is clear codes keep the money in your pocket you would have spent for the BT scanner and get a tune that allows you to clear all codes.

bulldog_yyc · 07-04-2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawdude

If all you want to do is clear codes keep the money in your pocket you would have spent for the BT scanner and get a tune that allows you to clear all codes.

or run maps that wont trigger codes in the first place

lawdude · 07-04-2009, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turkish335

or run maps that wont trigger codes in the first place

Yeah, good idea. Buy a tune from a tuner who will give you a written guarantee that it won't throw any codes.

bulldog_yyc · 07-04-2009, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawdude

Yeah, good idea. Buy a tune from a tuner who will give you a written guarantee that it won't throw any codes.

weather its written or not makes no difference if the code is thrown and youre at the dealer

FYI, map 6/7 as a DD for past 3 weeks has not thrown any codes

lawdude · 07-04-2009, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turkish335

weather its written or not makes no difference if the code is thrown and youre at the dealer

FYI, map 6/7 as a DD for past 3 weeks has not thrown any codes

Don't pay any attention to me; I was just being a smart-ass.

lawdude · 07-04-2009, 02:53 PM

I think it uses a 12 step program

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skate_E92 Captain 33 Rep 688 Posts Drives: 09' e92 335i Join Date: May 2009 Location: SoCal iTrader: (3)	to each his own... i still have yet to make the decision on which tune to go with but jb3 just seems like a hassle and they dont seem to have as much experience (m3 turbo kits, superchargers etc.)? im no engine tech or tuner pro, thats just what ive come to from reading around. i think these new aa products are gonna have alot of people intrested... dont take my word for it give them a call and ask!?! __________________ TX. 2 CA. Last edited by skate_E92; 07-06-2009 at 02:49 AM..
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Bmuenster02 New Member 4 Rep 11 Posts Drives: 09 Alpine White 335i xdrive Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northern Virginia iTrader: (0)	they have a deal its $579 for the JB3 but for $100 more you get the dual cone intake combo...is that a nice set of intakes or is their better?
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David 12 Major 127 Rep 1,048 Posts Drives: 2019 BMW X5 50i BSM, M Sport Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Omaha iTrader: (0)	The JB3 and DCI combo price point is fantastic; plus it looks like you also get free shipping. As far as hp gains, I think the BMS DCI is competitive. In my opinion, the JB3 PNP is anything but a hassle, proven to be safe with great customer service.
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smartys Lieutenant 46 Rep 591 Posts Drives: 07 e93 335i Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto, on iTrader: (1)	From what I've read on here, the JB3 is probably the best bang for buck power, and most ppl don't seem to have issues. And this is coming from someone running a dinan tune....But if you did any aftermarket tune/piggy, I would also invest in a BT scanner to clear any potential error codes that might be thrown.
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lawdude Colonel 93 Rep 2,339 Posts Drives: 335i ZPP ZSP TiAg MT Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia iTrader: (1)	I think it uses a 12 step program __________________ What do I know? I'm insane.
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