[E92NYC]

I took my e92 out to do a wheel alignment. Unfortunately, the guy over there could not align my front, because my fronts are maxed out. My car is completely stock. Therefore, there is no way my fronts can be maxed out.

Does anyone know what problems might caused my front suspension to be maxed out when it is stock?

[justpete]

Originally Posted by E92NYC

I took my e92 out to do a wheel alignment. Unfortunately, the guy over there could not align my front, because my fronts are maxed out. My car is completely stock. Therefore, there is no way my fronts can be maxed out.

Does anyone know what problems might caused my front suspension to be maxed out when it is stock?

Indy or dealership?

[E92NYC]

i want to avoid going to dealership cause they going to charge me diagnostic fee which i am pretty sure it is something small

[justpete]

Originally Posted by E92NYC

i want to avoid going to dealership cause they going to charge me diagnostic fee which i am pretty sure it is something small

I'd have to guess that if there's no severe damage to the front end the shop is not setting up and/or measuring the alignment correctly at all. The car's pretty new, same year as mine, so it might be worth it to have a quality dealership do a full alignment and be done with it. The cost sucks though, no argument there.

[E92NYC]

the guy did not touch anything in the front. As soon as he looked in the front, he said it was maxed out

[justpete]

Originally Posted by E92NYC

the guy did not touch anything in the front. As soon as he looked in the front, he said it was maxed out

Gotcha, thanks. Did he say what parameter was maxed out? Could he be wrong?

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Ask him to print current suspension settings and upload it here.

[E92NYC]

This was my printout after my wheel alignment.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by E92NYC

This was my printout after my wheel alignment.

Oh. Camber is maxed out. Looks like somebody punched the pins and slid the top mounts as far inboard as they'll go. But they're not symmetrical and that'll cause some noticeable pull, at least it has for me when I don't get the camber plates set exactly the same.

The weird part would be if the pins are still there and camber can't be set less negative. What would cause that other than damaged struts, perches, springs, top mounts, or something and then not mess up toe?

Lots of suspension experts out there a lot smarter than me though....

[AndrewLakes]

Originally Posted by E92NYC

This was my printout after my wheel alignment.

Unless you can feel your car pulling to the left (the side with most positive), I'd say it's fine as extra negative camber is a good thing.

[vwetish]

Originally Posted by E92NYC

This was my printout after my wheel alignment.

Isn't bad. I wound't worry about it much.

Originally Posted by justpete

Oh. Camber is maxed out. Looks like somebody punched the pins and slid the top mounts as far inboard as they'll go. But they're not symmetrical and that'll cause some noticeable pull, at least it has for me when I don't get the camber plates set exactly the same.

The weird part would be if the pins are still there and camber can't be set less negative. What would cause that other than damaged struts, perches, springs, top mounts, or something and then not mess up toe?

Lots of suspension experts out there a lot smarter than me though....

I agree with all. Additionally, he might be riding on M3 control arms, or alignment machine is out of whack, or mechanic is not very competent, or bad hub/bearing, or bad/uneven tire...
It could be a lot of things.

Originally Posted by AndrewLakes

Unless you can feel your car pulling to the left (the side with most positive), I'd say it's fine as extra negative camber is a good thing.

I highly doubt that it will pull especially to the left since has less negative camber on that corner. My guess is that it will ride fine since the toe is in check.

[AndrewLakes]

Originally Posted by vwetish

I highly doubt that it will pull especially to the left since has less negative camber on that corner. My guess is that it will ride fine since the toe is in check.

It would pull towards side with most positive camber like attached:

But I agree it probably wouldn't be noticible since the difference is small.

[vwetish]

Originally Posted by AndrewLakes

It would pull towards side with most positive camber like attached:

But I agree it probably wouldn't be noticible since the difference is small.

Based on experience I always thought that the opposite applies.
Perhaps the toe was affected.
I'm talking about cars with damaged suspension.
Regardless, I stand corrected.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by AndrewLakes

It would pull towards side with most positive camber like attached:

But I agree it probably wouldn't be noticible since the difference is small.

Yep, that's what I was experiencing until the shop ground away the inner portion of the strut tower to provide clearance for the hex nut when the camber plate is swung fully inboard. The left side wasn't as far in and the car pulled subtly to the right.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by vwetish

I agree with all. Additionally, he might be riding on M3 control arms, or alignment machine is out of whack, or mechanic is not very competent, or bad hub/bearing, or bad/uneven tire...
It could be a lot of things.

Didn't think about the M3 control arms, the camber is about what you'd expect from that added -0.7* isn't it? But it's supposedly stock so that's confusing. I don't see how it's remotely possible to that negative unless deliberately set or something on both sides is broken the same way which makes even less sense. Weird...

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E92NYC
1. Dou you have e92 xi on 19 wheels as its stated in printout?
2. Check alignment pins on front top strut mounts. Do you see them?