693WHP 572WTQ - 98 Octane w/ meth - 673 WHP 564 WTQ 98 Octane NO Meth VTT VTX-R63 N54

Tony@vargasturbotech · 04-14-2013, 02:44 PM

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Hey guys, so after some tuning this weekend we came up with some numbers we are happy with for now. Honestly, we flat ran out of time or this would have been over 700 WHP easily. We are maybe 1-1.5 degrees of timing away on this fuel, and with straight 109 or E85 we will be well over it. One of the first things I would like to point out is, the HPFP can now be said is 100% solid and backed up with numbers. With NO meth the cars fuel system providing ALL the fuel, we made 673WHP and 564WTQ with fuel trims staying negative, the car was pulling fuel out. Ok, so on to the details of the numbers. For fuel we were on basically 98 octane (see octane calculator pic) we were running out of time and the pump we brought to empty the tank failed miserably so we dumped 5 gallons of MS 109 into half tank about 8 gallons of 91,(Josh from Cobb and Jake from PTF witnessed this last ditch blending.) It makes it about 98 octane, with this we cranked up the boost and slowly started adding in timing, then once we got over 675 threw some meth into the fun. That gave us the numbers you see here. We also did back to back runs with no map changes, and no camera shut off so you can see the no meth then meth difference. The car never once set a CEL, never once limped, never once really did anything. I need to throw out a HUGE thank you to Jake and Dzenno from PTF and Josh from COBB for all the help this weekend. Its a good start but we will keep pushing and see what we get. Thanks everyone for the continued interest.

Edit: Just to be clear, EVERY run was done in 4th gear, NO 5th gear pulls, also EGT's NEVER got over 1600F well well within a nice safe zone.. AND I forgot to thank the most important person Dave, my brother the owner of the car. Without him putting up with riding a street bike through the winter and having his wife yell at him for 6 months we would have never made this kit. So thanks for being patient dude!

693WHP 572WTQ Graph

693 WHP 572WTQ Graph 0 Smoothing

Back to back no meth / meth run
673WHP 564WTQ no meth / 680WHP 556WTQ

A few runs stacked to see how consistent the car is

693WHP 572WTQ with speed to prove it was in 4th gear

Octane Calculator pic

693WHP 572WTQ Pull video

Back to back no meth / meth run

onesuperboi · 04-14-2013, 02:48 PM

Graphs and videos are not posted...

Great results! Glad they are not estimated WHP figures.

Tony@vargasturbotech · 04-14-2013, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onesuperboi

Graphs and videos are not posted...

Great results! Glad they are not estimated WHP figures.

Gotta give the graphs time to load, I always have trouble with videos on this site. Someone else can add them in if they want if not there are the links.

melenkae90 · 04-14-2013, 02:49 PM

video links not working?

Sparky68 · 04-14-2013, 02:51 PM

marv85 · 04-14-2013, 02:51 PM

Great job Tony, COBB and PTF. Looking forward for more news!! I just love it when stuff are BS free

kboss335 · 04-14-2013, 02:51 PM

Wow this is amazing, keep up the good work Tony!

turb0mik3 · 04-14-2013, 02:52 PM

Now this is what I'm freaking talking about!!!!!!!! Awesome stuff Tony, can't wait to pick my little 500whp car tomorrow!!!

turb0mik3 · 04-14-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky68

That is a gorgeous dyno, wow.

And even more impressive is how the torque doesn't slap you in the face, damn. This is sooo sick.

BEAR-AvHistory · 04-14-2013, 02:57 PM

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VR46 · 04-14-2013, 02:59 PM

First I like to thank Jake and Jacob for coming out. It was really nice to meet you guys.
And another thanks to Dzenno for staying up late again and helping out.
Last but not least my brother Tony, I know its been hard work and you've been really stressed out but its going to be worth it I promise. (Don't let forum talk get to you, Its not worth it)

To everyone else that preordered a stage 3 kit or thinking about buying one. Your in for one hell of a ride.

Sparky68 · 04-14-2013, 03:03 PM

Video

TT3 iN NyC · 04-14-2013, 03:04 PM

Hi Tony/Vargas team,

Will there be any 6AT testing with the stage 3? What are your thoughts when it comes to the auto tranny?

thanks!

Sparky68 · 04-14-2013, 03:07 PM

Stacked run for consistency

pwr hungry · 04-14-2013, 03:21 PM

Seriously not trying to start anything, but how is the large twin setup able to fuel those numbers without meth, but the big singles can't? The more detail you can give to help me with all this the better.

BTW, I really really really wish you hadn't used turbos with internal wastegates. :/

Tony@vargasturbotech · 04-14-2013, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwr hungry

Seriously not trying to start anything, but how is the large twin setup able to fuel those numbers without meth, but the big singles can't? The more detail you can give to help me with all this the better.

BTW, I really really really wish you hadn't used turbos with internal wastegates. :/

Has zero to do with the turbos,and everything to do with is figuring out what no one else seemed to be able to. The HPFP issue, any ST owners who don't want to be stuck running 4 meth nozzles to fuel your car, shoot me an email and we can get you upgraded.

CaptainInsano · 04-14-2013, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vargasturbotech

Has zero to do with the turbos,and everything to do with is figuring out what no one else seemed to be able to. The HPFP issue, any ST owners who don't want to be stuck running 4 meth nozzles to fuel your car, shoot me an email and we can get you upgraded.

Yup, 29-30lbs of boost and an upgraded HPFP. The N54 arms race has begun

CaptainInsano · 04-14-2013, 03:30 PM

Oh yeah, congrats on this forum too!

onesuperboi · 04-14-2013, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainInsano

Yup, 29-30lbs of boost and an upgraded HPFP. The N54 arms race has begun

Yeah, it's too bad ST cannot turn up the boost safely with all the meth that is being sprayed.

BobS · 04-14-2013, 03:37 PM

Game changer! Nice work Tony, PTF, cobb....vtt stg3 ftw!

joec500 · 04-14-2013, 03:39 PM

@Tony, can a tune be created to ensure we pass CA emissions with upgraded twins. Or better yet, can a car run twins with stock map assuming you have re-installed OEM DP's?

Thanks

Tony@vargasturbotech · 04-14-2013, 03:41 PM

Can you guys see those graphs? I can on my comp. if not ill just load the as attachments. Let me know.

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Tony@vargasturbotech Banned 136 Rep 1,202 Posts Drives: N54 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	693WHP 572WTQ - 98 Octane w/ meth - 673 WHP 564 WTQ 98 Octane NO Meth VTT VTX-R63 N54 Featured on BIMMERPOST.com Hey guys, so after some tuning this weekend we came up with some numbers we are happy with for now. Honestly, we flat ran out of time or this would have been over 700 WHP easily. We are maybe 1-1.5 degrees of timing away on this fuel, and with straight 109 or E85 we will be well over it. One of the first things I would like to point out is, the HPFP can now be said is 100% solid and backed up with numbers. With NO meth the cars fuel system providing ALL the fuel, we made 673WHP and 564WTQ with fuel trims staying negative, the car was pulling fuel out. Ok, so on to the details of the numbers. For fuel we were on basically 98 octane (see octane calculator pic) we were running out of time and the pump we brought to empty the tank failed miserably so we dumped 5 gallons of MS 109 into half tank about 8 gallons of 91,(Josh from Cobb and Jake from PTF witnessed this last ditch blending.) It makes it about 98 octane, with this we cranked up the boost and slowly started adding in timing, then once we got over 675 threw some meth into the fun. That gave us the numbers you see here. We also did back to back runs with no map changes, and no camera shut off so you can see the no meth then meth difference. The car never once set a CEL, never once limped, never once really did anything. I need to throw out a HUGE thank you to Jake and Dzenno from PTF and Josh from COBB for all the help this weekend. Its a good start but we will keep pushing and see what we get. Thanks everyone for the continued interest. Edit: Just to be clear, EVERY run was done in 4th gear, NO 5th gear pulls, also EGT's NEVER got over 1600F well well within a nice safe zone.. AND I forgot to thank the most important person Dave, my brother the owner of the car. Without him putting up with riding a street bike through the winter and having his wife yell at him for 6 months we would have never made this kit. So thanks for being patient dude! 693WHP 572WTQ Graph 693 WHP 572WTQ Graph 0 Smoothing Back to back no meth / meth run 673WHP 564WTQ no meth / 680WHP 556WTQ A few runs stacked to see how consistent the car is 693WHP 572WTQ with speed to prove it was in 4th gear Octane Calculator pic 693WHP 572WTQ Pull video Back to back no meth / meth run Attached Images Last edited by Tony@vargasturbotech; 04-14-2013 at 04:28 PM.. Reason: Update
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pwr hungry Banned 41 Rep 1,257 Posts Drives: 335 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Amer'ca iTrader: (2)	Seriously not trying to start anything, but how is the large twin setup able to fuel those numbers without meth, but the big singles can't? The more detail you can give to help me with all this the better. BTW, I really really really wish you hadn't used turbos with internal wastegates. :/
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Tony@vargasturbotech Banned 136 Rep 1,202 Posts Drives: N54 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Can you guys see those graphs? I can on my comp. if not ill just load the as attachments. Let me know.
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