What am i doing wrong?

lopealle · 06-16-2009, 01:27 PM

ok i been reading these threads for a while on how to detail my car. I had really bad water marks so i washed, clayed and compunded it with the pc7424 and i still have no luck with the water marks. Can someone tell me exactly what i need to do?

I use Blue Coral to wash
Mothers clay bar kit
3M Rubbing compund 05973
and the yellow pad

the water marks are still there though what am i doing wrong? oh my pc 7424 died today kinda weird i used it twice and it died on me.

MalM3 · 06-16-2009, 01:52 PM

the cars too hot when washing.. baking the calcium in the water on the paint

Also , the water may be very hard, and leaving major stains

Not good anyway for an attempt at paint renovation :?

What about a water softener?
and wash by panel , then dry?

dr.jay · 06-16-2009, 02:34 PM

Try a heavier compound?

BK · 06-16-2009, 02:52 PM

I would think a less aggressive polish (try SIP) and orange pad would remove those water marks. If you aren't getting them out with compounding paste, I don't know what to say except I don't think you should have jumped to compounding paste right away.

Are you sure you burned out your 7424? Or maybe does it shut itself off for protection if it reaches a certain temperature?

To avoid getting water spots in the first place, wash in the shade and don't let water spot on the car. Or use a CR Spotless.

lopealle · 06-16-2009, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mallard

the cars too hot when washing.. baking the calcium in the water on the paint

Also , the water may be very hard, and leaving major stains

Not good anyway for an attempt at paint renovation :?

What about a water softener?
and wash by panel , then dry?

as far as hard water i tried to use that mr. clean gun thing with the filter to help it out with the hard water issue. and i washed the car in the early morning like at 730

lopealle · 06-16-2009, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr.jay

Try a heavier compound?

what compound is heavier than that? i dont really know about this stuff

lopealle · 06-16-2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BK

I would think a less aggressive polish (try SIP) and orange pad would remove those water marks. If you aren't getting them out with compounding paste, I don't know what to say except I don't think you should have jumped to compounding paste right away.

Are you sure you burned out your 7424? Or maybe does it shut itself off for protection if it reaches a certain temperature?

To avoid getting water spots in the first place, wash in the shade and don't let water spot on the car. Or use a CR Spotless.

well far as i know the 7424 is out for the count. i let it cool down for like 6 hr in the ac and still nothing happen. and what is (SIP)?

catch · 06-16-2009, 06:50 PM

i dont have any advise becasue Ive never had that problem... but those pics make me scared to leave my car out in the rain...

NiVeDh · 06-16-2009, 06:54 PM

Try going panel-by-panel.

Innovative Detailing · 06-16-2009, 11:32 PM

I recommend that the best and most effective way to correct these waterspots and the damage they have created is by using a rotary polisher. Use a foam polishing pad polish with a light cleaner/polish, and pass over the waterspots to remove. After the spotting has been removed, then follow up with the PC and a premium polish to remove any halograming or swirl marks from the rotary polisher. And finally using the PC and a finishing pad, apply your wax or sealant, remove product with a MF and your done. The last touch would be a 360 around the vehicle with a QD for any dust or residue removel, and that last inspection......

Dave @ Innovative Detailing

sim@ecuprogram · 06-17-2009, 02:58 AM

very professional output.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innovative Detailing

I recommend that the best and most effective way to correct these waterspots and the damage they have created is by using a rotary polisher. Use a foam polishing pad polish with a light cleaner/polish, and over the waterspots to remove. After the spotting has been removed, then follow up with the PC and a premium polish to remove any halograming or swirl marks from the rotary polisher. And finally using the PC and a finishing pad, apply your wax or sealant, remove product with a MF and your done. The last touch would be a 360 around the vehicle with a QD for any dust or residue removel, and that last inspection......

Dave @ Innovative Detailing

UncleWede · 06-17-2009, 09:45 AM

IF you used a PC and 3M rubbing compound, and it still looks like that, you must live downwind from some serious manufacturing. ASSUMING you used the PC at a decent speed, and really broke down the 3M.
I'm not outright calling you a liar, but I see NONE of the streaks/swirls I would expect if you used only your hand and 3M rubbing compound. Can you "feel" the water marks on top of the surface?

One other you could try is the old vinegar/water in a spray bottle. Spritz it on a CLEAN car, then wipe with MF cloth.

Just as a light-hearted bit, on the third picture down , lower left corner, just under your left hand reflection, one of the spots looks like a smiley with an ear

Fresh330 · 06-17-2009, 12:27 PM

Since you don't seem too expierenced and your PC died, I would go to a professional

lopealle · 06-20-2009, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleWede

IF you used a PC and 3M rubbing compound, and it still looks like that, you must live downwind from some serious manufacturing. ASSUMING you used the PC at a decent speed, and really broke down the 3M.
I'm not outright calling you a liar, but I see NONE of the streaks/swirls I would expect if you used only your hand and 3M rubbing compound. Can you "feel" the water marks on top of the surface?

One other you could try is the old vinegar/water in a spray bottle. Spritz it on a CLEAN car, then wipe with MF cloth.

Just as a light-hearted bit, on the third picture down , lower left corner, just under your left hand reflection, one of the spots looks like a smiley with an ear

it does look like a smiley with an ear. it almost seems like it mocks me.

lopealle · 06-20-2009, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fresh330

Since you don't seem too expierenced and your PC died, I would go to a professional

honestly im not that experienced. but when i had my cheap buffer from walmart. it worked perfect. i never had problems with it until a friend broke it.

am i doing this right? wash, clay, compund with yellow pad?

EpicE92 · 06-20-2009, 11:50 PM

Being your PC burnt out and such today . I think maybe Its just your polisher. If you do enjoy detailing your car just invest in a Flex. When u master that move up to a rotary if u want.

mchaskell · 06-21-2009, 10:10 PM

Be careful with compounds/polishes as most work by cutting down the clear coat. Each time you use these products your clear coat gets thinner.

I used Chemical Guys Clayblock (http://www.chemicalguys.com/Clay_Bar..._block_kit.htm) today to remove water spots from my hood. It took off water spots that regular clay did not.

blackpepper · 06-24-2009, 02:41 PM

Hi
Anyone tried the Chemical guys water-spots remover ? Is it safe for the clear coat ?
Thanks
BP

ozgur_ustuner · 06-26-2009, 03:59 AM

water is chalky (hard water ) , u have to use vinegar (nit)

mix water and your car shampoo and vinegar in the bucket. then wash your car. it will solve chalky spots and your car paint will look shiny!!

crispy

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lopealle Resident Black Guy 251 Rep 2,302 Posts Drives: Lion Join Date: May 2009 Location: Federal Way, WA iTrader: (2) Garage List 2006 M5 [10.00]	What am i doing wrong? ok i been reading these threads for a while on how to detail my car. I had really bad water marks so i washed, clayed and compunded it with the pc7424 and i still have no luck with the water marks. Can someone tell me exactly what i need to do? I use Blue Coral to wash Mothers clay bar kit 3M Rubbing compund 05973 and the yellow pad the water marks are still there though what am i doing wrong? oh my pc 7424 died today kinda weird i used it twice and it died on me. Attached Images
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MalM3 4 pot warrior 37 Rep 1,307 Posts Drives: E90 318I Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: DENMARK iTrader: (1) Garage List 2006 e90 [10.00]	the cars too hot when washing.. baking the calcium in the water on the paint Also , the water may be very hard, and leaving major stains Not good anyway for an attempt at paint renovation :? What about a water softener? and wash by panel , then dry? __________________ Been there, done that, wanna do it again
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BK Smiling politely 165 Rep 7,931 Posts Drives: 330i Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Washington DC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [9.00]	I would think a less aggressive polish (try SIP) and orange pad would remove those water marks. If you aren't getting them out with compounding paste, I don't know what to say except I don't think you should have jumped to compounding paste right away. Are you sure you burned out your 7424? Or maybe does it shut itself off for protection if it reaches a certain temperature? To avoid getting water spots in the first place, wash in the shade and don't let water spot on the car. Or use a CR Spotless. __________________ E90 330i Black Sapphire 6MT \| 991.1 C4 Platinum Silver 7MT
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Innovative Detailing Second Lieutenant 17 Rep 236 Posts Drives: 08 M3, 06 Denali, 53Ford F100 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Orange County iTrader: (0)	I recommend that the best and most effective way to correct these waterspots and the damage they have created is by using a rotary polisher. Use a foam polishing pad polish with a light cleaner/polish, and pass over the waterspots to remove. After the spotting has been removed, then follow up with the PC and a premium polish to remove any halograming or swirl marks from the rotary polisher. And finally using the PC and a finishing pad, apply your wax or sealant, remove product with a MF and your done. The last touch would be a 360 around the vehicle with a QD for any dust or residue removel, and that last inspection...... Dave @ Innovative Detailing Last edited by Innovative Detailing; 06-17-2009 at 11:19 AM..
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UncleWede Long Time Admirer, First Time Owner 18028 Rep 9,378 Posts Drives: G01 X3 M40i Dark Graphite Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oxnard, CA iTrader: (0)	IF you used a PC and 3M rubbing compound, and it still looks like that, you must live downwind from some serious manufacturing. ASSUMING you used the PC at a decent speed, and really broke down the 3M. I'm not outright calling you a liar, but I see NONE of the streaks/swirls I would expect if you used only your hand and 3M rubbing compound. Can you "feel" the water marks on top of the surface? One other you could try is the old vinegar/water in a spray bottle. Spritz it on a CLEAN car, then wipe with MF cloth. Just as a light-hearted bit, on the third picture down , lower left corner, just under your left hand reflection, one of the spots looks like a smiley with an ear
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EpicE92 Private First Class 43 Rep 158 Posts Drives: V6 Mustang Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: SoFla iTrader: (0)	Being your PC burnt out and such today . I think maybe Its just your polisher. If you do enjoy detailing your car just invest in a Flex. When u master that move up to a rotary if u want.
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mchaskell Traveler 8 Rep 173 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Never where I want to be. iTrader: (0)	Be careful with compounds/polishes as most work by cutting down the clear coat. Each time you use these products your clear coat gets thinner. I used Chemical Guys Clayblock (http://www.chemicalguys.com/Clay_Bar..._block_kit.htm) today to remove water spots from my hood. It took off water spots that regular clay did not. __________________ 135i SGM, Grey w/Grey Poplar interior.
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ozgur_ustuner New Member 1 Rep 23 Posts Drives: bmw 320d Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: izmir_Turkey iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 320d [0.00]	water is chalky water is chalky (hard water ) , u have to use vinegar (nit) mix water and your car shampoo and vinegar in the bucket. then wash your car. it will solve chalky spots and your car paint will look shiny!! crispy
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