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04-22-2013, 02:53 PM | #1 |
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3 stage intake manifold without tune
Does the 3 stage conversion on a 328 require the tune to operate? Has anyone had experience with the intake manifold without the tune? How does it run?
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04-22-2013, 03:44 PM | #2 |
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the car will run normally with the swap. You need a tune to activate the DISA valve to unlock the extra 30hp.
Search there is TONS of information available.
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04-22-2013, 03:46 PM | #3 |
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04-22-2013, 04:21 PM | #4 |
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There will be noticeable hiccups while you accelerate. The Disa valves will operate without the tune but your engine map will not be optimized. Your car may even be slower without a proper tune.
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04-23-2013, 05:21 AM | #5 |
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i just did the swap last weekend and i dont have a tune either... saving money for the tune. but from what i can feel, it pulls slightly harder... barely noticable if u dont know ur car...
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04-24-2013, 11:59 AM | #10 |
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Just doing the manifold gives you better low end power (most noticeable) and a bit up top. But there is a dip in power around 4000rpm that is noticeable at WOT. The disa valves work without the tune.
getting a tune will increase the power all the way through the rpm range and smooth out the dips. how much increase you get depends on your car (a 325i will gain more hp than a 328i, because the 325i starts out lower) |
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04-25-2013, 02:43 AM | #14 |
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here is an email i have from a german tuner b4 i decided to do the 3 stage manifold:
and if u wanna call and check it out the number is on there Thank you very much for your enquiry. Your reference number is 20122174 Please keep it ready when calling the service line of our company. The power of the car is limited by the programm of the valvetronic. It is the same engine, as the one sold as 330i. So we can offer the following power enhancement for your car: + 40 hp power + 50 nm torque If your cars highspeed is limited like all the US cars at 210km/h, we can reprogram it and the car will run about 260 km/h The time needed for the modification is 4 - 5 hours Appointments are possible on short call The price is 699.- € incl. VAT. The nearest center is in Miltenberg. The adress is: Bauer Automobiltechnik Anschrift Mainzer Str. 29 PLZ / Ort 63897 Miltenberg Telefon 0 93 71 - 66 99 555 Fax 0 93 71 - 66 99 556 E-Mail miltenberg@digi-tec.de |
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04-25-2013, 02:49 PM | #15 | |
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Does he realize the US Market gets a completely different intake manifold than the 325s and 125s (and 525s) in Europe? The only exception is the N51 which comes with the 3 stage manifold standard. Thanks for the tip on the tuner though.
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04-25-2013, 09:50 PM | #17 |
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a tuner from Germany did tune a us spec 325i, he unlocked crazy Tourque and about+ 30 hp
look it up DS tune 325i
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04-25-2013, 10:27 PM | #18 | |
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Not sure how that translates on a 328i though. The 328i stock already felt noticeably stronger than the 325i did to me. |
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04-26-2013, 09:12 AM | #19 |
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That 325i had no DISA, and the TQ number was higher than any tune that I have seen on these forums. HP was not that different form other results.
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04-26-2013, 09:26 AM | #20 |
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Out of curiosity, how much hp/tq would a 328 on 93 octane without tune (stock) put down? Just an approximate. Most of these dynos I see of baseline 328s are on vehicles running 91 octane, so I'm wondering what my baseline would be in the ballpark of.
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04-26-2013, 10:15 AM | #22 | |
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It's definitely a lot of power to gain. We need more mods available for N/A engines. I understand n54s and others are a lot faster, but they are also problematic. |
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