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10-18-2012, 05:49 PM | #463 | ||
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We'll see, clearly there's a lot of research that needs to be done which is why I proposed the question now given we're entering the off-season. Ideally, I'm thinking get the 2nd Recaro I need that way I can run a half cage (stock seat with cage is a big no no). Quote:
If you read my NASA link, all of it centered around a safety perspective. To say only racers are at risk of suffering injuries or accidents is pretty naive. I can say with confidence we've seen multiple wrecks in the past 3 events, most if not all were DE. And rollover or not, the ability to run a Hans is a huge benefit IMO. Secondly whether I got a Grimace purple seat that costs twice the price of a used seat has no relevance. End of day I chose the PP because it fit me the best, was a definite fit for my car, and I got a great price on it. And if it looks damn good in my interior even better. Lastly, your suggestion of getting a half cage instead of harness bar (only) is what I've bet leaning towards from the beginning (see my response to CJ's original post) so we're not in disagreement. Last edited by 3002 tii; 10-18-2012 at 07:08 PM.. |
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10-18-2012, 06:28 PM | #464 |
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10-18-2012, 07:03 PM | #465 |
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Let's get the illusion that a rollover is not happening in a DE out of the way. Here's a low speed rollover at our back yard, Limerock. Notice what happens to the roof.
Now, if it were me, I would ideally like my roof to stay in place via a cage. If there's no cage, as is the case in the vast majority of DE cars, I would like something to give way so my head doesn't get crashed. I don't know about you but my helmet sits about 2 fingers away from the roof. Car seats are designed to fold back under pressure. If a bar is there, you just lost that advantage. That's why half-solutions are sometimes worse than the alternative. The 3-point belt system is designed to work with OEM (folding) seats and airbags. Once that system is altered, either via a fixed back seat, a harness bar or a 4/5/6pt harness you've lost some of the advantages of that design. I'm not saying don't it, I'm saying that one needs to understand what disadvantages are introduced by implementing anything less than a full-cage/fixed seat/6pt harness system before doing so. |
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10-18-2012, 07:12 PM | #468 | |
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I really think half cage is the next logical solution. Remains streetable, but provides the protection I need on track and works with my current / future setup. |
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10-18-2012, 07:13 PM | #469 |
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I was hoping for the opposite, do some research on how to get your fixed back seats in without sacrificing too much safety.
And btw, Dan's case is different, the Z has no backseat and no space for anything to fold. I don't think (I could be wrong) a fixed back vs a folding back seats makes any difference in his case. |
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10-18-2012, 09:37 PM | #471 |
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Not trying to be argumentative but it didn't look like he "was able to duck the roof" it looks like he is still straight up in the seat in that rollover accident.
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10-18-2012, 10:03 PM | #472 | |
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He either trail braked too long or came in too hot and lifted/ braked, which shifted the weight off the rear wheels. Also, he countered way too slow. An instructor came into turn 7 at Njmp Lightning too hot in front of me and started spinning like that video (reverse direction). But he kept he foot in it and counter steered through the turn at about 40 degrees. He basically drifted through fast and furious style. We talked afterwards and it turns out he was the instructor for the skid pad...perfect. |
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10-19-2012, 07:27 AM | #473 | |
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Also, in the video, I see no evidence of him "ducking" when the car rolled over. In fact, I see the opposite. He looks to be completely extended and hanging from the belts as I said earlier. Dan, I'll try to get a couple of shops for a half cage for you. It turns out the one we were looking to do the cage in the race car isn't as close as I thought.
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10-20-2012, 06:31 AM | #474 | |
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Thanks Jeff, much appreciated... and looking at that vid, the way he talks to himself he sounds like an idiot. How you lose traction and flip an awd subie is beyond me lol. Just did one day at T-bolt, getting better for sure. I'm down to a 1:40, hopefully I'll break into high 1:3x in a couple of weeks! |
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10-22-2012, 11:47 AM | #476 | |
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The RSs are extremely fast cars, old and new, tough to beat. I made the mistake of attending an "unmuffled/advanced" event at Limerock where apparently everybody brings out their highly-modified/non-street-legal contraptions turning 50-sec laps. That was the first time that I was getting consistently lapped by a whole pack in the advanced group, quite an eye opener. Got my lap time down by 2 secs that day and yet that's not what was in my mind on the way home... |
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Got a newbie question: I've had my star specs all season ~13 days, and they still have like 4/32 tread left. I felt their sweet spot was around 35 psi all 4 until recently the car got kinda squirmy, sometimes pushing, other times rears getting slippery. So I jacked up the rears to 38 and it stabilized somewhat, but overall the car still doesn't feel as good as it used to. I don't know if I'm simply pushing my car more than before, or my tires are heat cycled out. Should I try to use these for the Nov DE coming up or new tires? I'd hate to throw them out cuz they have decent tread left still...
Another question is, how important/effective is heat cycling new R-comps like TR does? I'm highly considering NT01s next. |
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StarSpecs get greasy after 10-15mins regardless of temp, no way around it. The StarSpec sweet spot for my car and driving style was 37psi hot.
NT01s need to be driven at a higher slip angle and ideally -2.x camber or more. 38psi hot. If you try to drive them like the StarSpecs they'll be gone in 2-4 days. The first time you run them they'll be slippery for a couple of laps (just once) and then they'll remain at a set grip level till you cord them. |
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Also keep in mind, as these tires get older, the same pressure that worked for you in day 1 won't be the same down the road. |
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I want to mount my camera somewhere else; my issue is the lack of a mounting spot considering I have no headrest posts and the back shelf is too far away. Damn. it.
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Which tire and size were you planning to go with?
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