Getrag or ZF?

avpteam · 02-04-2010, 09:35 PM

Hi everyone!

Who sourced AT for 2007 323i (German build for Canadian market)? I think it's 6-speed mated to the 2.5. Any known issues potential buyer should be aware of?

Thanks in advance for your input!

SGxi · 02-04-2010, 10:02 PM

GM?

halB · 02-04-2010, 10:08 PM

Yes GM!

machine · 02-04-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SGxi

GM?

Most transmissions are built by either Getrag or GM... but I was unaware that you could specify which one you wanted.

Oulixes · 02-05-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by avpteam

Hi everyone!

Who sourced AT for 2007 323i (German build for Canadian market)? I think it's 6-speed mated to the 2.5. Any known issues potential buyer should be aware of?

Thanks in advance for your input!

There were stories of problems in the SL40E automatic transmissions, likely made Borg Warner, which were used by BMW in 323i, 328i, 330i, and 530i from 2000 to 2006. Apparently many of these ATs had to be replaced, but the evidence is mostly anecdotal. As for the ATs used from 2006, as far as I know: the 328i and 328xi ATs are GAGL45R, made by GM, designated as GM6; the 325i, 325xi, 330i, 330xi, 335i, 335xi ATs are GA6HP19Z, made by ZF Friedrichshafen AG, in Germany, designated as 6HP10.

SGxi · 02-05-2010, 03:10 PM

Well my 328xi just had its transmission pan and gasket replaced along with the sleeve connector of the megatronic module replaced... Just out of warrenty at 3 yrs 85000 km... Transmission was leaking fluids so if it was allowed to drain till its dry then a new transmission will be needed...

avpteam · 02-05-2010, 05:43 PM

I was under impression that Getrag belongs to GM and GM transmissions are somewhat of a slushbox.I found numerous complains about 5sp Getrag AT on the net. I thought that newer 3-series (e90) are equipped with ZF made tranny - the better one. However not sure if having 6spd AT means it's made by ZF. Anyone knows for sure?Is there way of figuring out by decoding VIN?Anyways what's your general impression of 323 AT dynamics?

carz · 02-05-2010, 06:21 PM

The early 6 speed GM AT needed to be reprogrammed by BMW. Once done, they are great.

halB · 02-05-2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Oulixes

as far as I know, the 328i ATs are made by GM, the 335i ATs are made by ZF Friedrichshafen AG, in Germany.

+1

Basically since the turbos came out, the non-turbos get GM and the turbos get ZF.
Not sure what happened before the turbos came out.

Oulixes · 02-06-2010, 08:15 PM

I've verified my previous post on automatic transmissions and amended the part that deals with transmissions used from MY2006 to MY2009. The amendment does not change the original information, but make it more complete.

avpteam · 02-06-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Oulixes

I've verified my previous post on automatic transmissions and amended the part that deals with transmissions used from MY2006 to MY2009. The amendment does not change the original information, but make it more complete.

Since Canadian market 2007 323i closely resembles US's 325i it is safe to assume it's using 6HP10 ?

Oulixes · 02-07-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by avpteam

Since Canadian market 2007 323i closely resembles US's 325i it is safe to assume it's using 6HP10 ?

To me it looks like a safe assumption, but if it matters to you a great deal, it might be better to verify what I am saying by taking the car to an independent shop, or query a technician who has worked on the 323i. You may also try to email for information to BMW AG (Germany), they have this information and often are willing to answer questions.

avpteam · 02-07-2010, 08:54 PM

Thanks for info!

DimSum · 02-07-2010, 10:28 PM

Canadian 2007 323i = identical 2.5L 325i from Europe with flash and cats.
The 2007 323i was 200HP, which is the same N52B25 engine found on the European 325i. The European 325i utilizes a 6HP10 tranny. So I'm going to say that the tranny installed in the 323i, is the 6HP10 from ZF. The major difference from the '07 323i and '06 323i is that the '07 has 200HP and the '06 has 170hp. The engine bay found from the '06 323i and '07 323i is quite different.

jokers_greg · 10-03-2013, 10:58 AM

I have a 2008 323i and i have seen the getrag stamp on my car myself. Its is 100% a getrag tranny on 2008 323i's atleast

jokers_greg · 10-03-2013, 10:59 AM

I should mention mine is pre-LCI

playground · 10-03-2013, 01:42 PM

There's no need to guess. Go on realoem.com and type in the last 7 digits of your vin. Then look for the transmission part. Numbers don't lie.

jokers_greg · 10-08-2013, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by playground

There's no need to guess. Go on realoem.com and type in the last 7 digits of your vin. Then look for the transmission part. Numbers don't lie.

That doesn't help when someone's looking to buy a 323i and wants to know the differences between it and the rest of the lineup.

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SGxi Major General 158 Rep 6,805 Posts Drives: E90 328xi Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto iTrader: (17) Garage List 2007 328xi [0.00]	Well my 328xi just had its transmission pan and gasket replaced along with the sleeve connector of the megatronic module replaced... Just out of warrenty at 3 yrs 85000 km... Transmission was leaking fluids so if it was allowed to drain till its dry then a new transmission will be needed... __________________ MY07 A22 E90 N52Nxi
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avpteam New Member 4 Rep 6 Posts Drives: MkV VW GLI Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Winnipeg iTrader: (0)	I was under impression that Getrag belongs to GM and GM transmissions are somewhat of a slushbox.I found numerous complains about 5sp Getrag AT on the net. I thought that newer 3-series (e90) are equipped with ZF made tranny - the better one. However not sure if having 6spd AT means it's made by ZF. Anyone knows for sure?Is there way of figuring out by decoding VIN?Anyways what's your general impression of 323 AT dynamics?
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carz Private 3 Rep 55 Posts Drives: BMW 328xi Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	The early 6 speed GM AT needed to be reprogrammed by BMW. Once done, they are great.
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Oulixes Lieutenant Colonel 22 Rep 1,938 Posts Drives: 330xi, 335i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Terra Borealis iTrader: (0)	I've verified my previous post on automatic transmissions and amended the part that deals with transmissions used from MY2006 to MY2009. The amendment does not change the original information, but make it more complete.
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avpteam New Member 4 Rep 6 Posts Drives: MkV VW GLI Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Winnipeg iTrader: (0)	Thanks for info!
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DimSum Banned 202 Rep 2,740 Posts Drives: SLOW Join Date: May 2008 Location: LITTLEBIMMER.COM iTrader: (10)	Canadian 2007 323i = identical 2.5L 325i from Europe with flash and cats. The 2007 323i was 200HP, which is the same N52B25 engine found on the European 325i. The European 325i utilizes a 6HP10 tranny. So I'm going to say that the tranny installed in the 323i, is the 6HP10 from ZF. The major difference from the '07 323i and '06 323i is that the '07 has 200HP and the '06 has 170hp. The engine bay found from the '06 323i and '07 323i is quite different.
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jokers_greg Master of Montego Blue 28 Rep 500 Posts Drives: 2007 BMW 335i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Canada iTrader: (4) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00]	I have a 2008 323i and i have seen the getrag stamp on my car myself. Its is 100% a getrag tranny on 2008 323i's atleast
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jokers_greg Master of Montego Blue 28 Rep 500 Posts Drives: 2007 BMW 335i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Canada iTrader: (4) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00]	I should mention mine is pre-LCI
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playground Lieutenant 32 Rep 473 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: North York iTrader: (0)	There's no need to guess. Go on realoem.com and type in the last 7 digits of your vin. Then look for the transmission part. Numbers don't lie. __________________ Become like water my friend.
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