[Dubbedoutbimmer]

Originally Posted by Fluffy bastard

Hm, and what's interesting I must see there?

What are you naive...

Naive? kinda rude and no im not but thanks lol...just playing catch up and offering input for a solution YOU havent figured out yet.

but thank you for the encouragement

Technic: Good Conversation, and you were obviously right with you suggestion on who to and who NOT to bother speaking to!

[Booster4075]

Originally Posted by Dubbedoutbimmer

also found this

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums...bmw-e60-69852/

I believe this DVD is for the OEM FSC codes on the CCC only. This DVD won't include retrofits, and most certainly won't apply to the CIC.

That guy requesting it is doing so for a 2006 E90.

[Fluffy bastard]

Originally Posted by Dubbedoutbimmer

Naive? kinda rude and no im not but thanks lol...just playing catch up and offering input for a solution YOU havent figured out yet.

but thank you for the encouragement

Technic: Good Conversation, and you were obviously right with you suggestion on who to and who NOT to bother speaking to!

I doubt that you understand how it developed, and how it works ... Seriously doubt ...

[longtran]

please tell me you found something that would help.

[TheUltimateDrivingManiac]

Originally Posted by Dubbedoutbimmer

for a solution YOU havent figured out yet.

Really? He is the only one who have the solution here

[dmurray14]

If someone has a solution, it would be nice to hear it.

[longtran]

Originally Posted by dmurray14

If someone has a solution, it would be nice to hear it.

+1

[Patrys@BimmerTech]

I doubt we can actually get any solution from Fluffy.
I guess most of you have already understood this fact reading his posts, so even if he was the only one on this forum who knew how to do it I wouldn't count on him.
Correct me if I am wrong Fluffy.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by dmurray14

If someone has a solution, it would be nice to hear it.

We will get the solution ourselves, don't worry about it.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by TheUltimateDrivingManiac

Really? He is the only one who have the solution here

Originally Posted by TheUltimateDrivingManiac

As I already told - no solution will come. People make money with it and do not share anything. They can answer the question, if question itself contains most of the answer, but will not give full solution.

... and that's the reality.

So it is irrelevant if Fluffy has the solution or not, unfortunately.

[dmurray14]

Yep, agreed. Sad thing when people can't collaborate, especially when 90% of the knowledge they use comes from people who shared what they learned. Oh well, guess it will be a long road. One for me that might just end up with a 335is instead

[TheUltimateDrivingManiac]

Originally Posted by Technic

We will get the solution ourselves, don't worry about it.

I am afraid it will be too expansive... If you don't have a very friendly dealer...

[Booster4075]

I had the chance to mostly tear apart a 3-series LCI (in search for the mysterious USB cable from the CIC to the glove box port.) I pulled the radio out and found that it was merely wire-tied to the main harness and not integral (fabric taped). I then pulled the USB port out and found the foam and plastic thingy on the cable. I didn't pull the glove box completely out (due to time constraints), but I could not see the familiar little gray tag with a part number on it. Phooey. I have my favorite parts guy contacting BMW engineering in hopes to getting a part number for this cable as it would be stupid for BMW (for warranty purposes) to replace an entire dash harness when a simple $30, 24" cable could be replaced if the need was there.


After looking at this cable and Technic's pictures, I believe that little plastic knob-thingy is just a noise suppression choke and not actually a circuit or resistor. I'm thinking worse-case scenario, I'd buy another LVDS cable, cut off the little splines at the connector and use it as a USB wire. I don't think there's anything special about it... (Technic - if you're bored and have the CIC and CID out of your car for some reason, you could do a little ohm check across all four pins on that cable and see if its just a four-wire cable with little to no resistance.).. just a thought.

I got some newer software on my laptop and will try to code my CIC to my car, not the 128i it came out of. I guess the trick is fooling the software into thinking my car is an LCI by build date, as it will assume I have a CCC based on build date.

[Patrys@BimmerTech]

Originally Posted by Booster4075

I had the chance to mostly tear apart a 3-series LCI (in search for the mysterious USB cable from the CIC to the glove box port.) I pulled the radio out and found that it was merely wire-tied to the main harness and not integral (fabric taped). I then pulled the USB port out and found the foam and plastic thingy on the cable. I didn't pull the glove box completely out (due to time constraints), but I could not see the familiar little gray tag with a part number on it. Phooey. I have my favorite parts guy contacting BMW engineering in hopes to getting a part number for this cable as it would be stupid for BMW (for warranty purposes) to replace an entire dash harness when a simple $30, 24" cable could be replaced if the need was there.


After looking at this cable and Technic's pictures, I believe that little plastic knob-thingy is just a noise suppression choke and not actually a circuit or resistor. I'm thinking worse-case scenario, I'd buy another LVDS cable, cut off the little splines at the connector and use it as a USB wire. I don't think there's anything special about it... (Technic - if you're bored and have the CIC and CID out of your car for some reason, you could do a little ohm check across all four pins on that cable and see if its just a four-wire cable with little to no resistance.).. just a thought.

I got some newer software on my laptop and will try to code my CIC to my car, not the 128i it came out of. I guess the trick is fooling the software into thinking my car is an LCI by build date, as it will assume I have a CCC based on build date.

How about trying the old USB cable which is a part of the option 6FL ?
P/N: 61 12 9 187 009

[Booster4075]

Originally Posted by Patrys

How about trying the old USB cable which is a part of the option 6FL ?
P/N: 61 12 9 187 009

I don't think so...this new guy has special beige plastic weird connectors on each end...and it goes directly from the CIC to USB port.... (unless it looks the same?!?) see this picture..

[Patrys@BimmerTech]

Originally Posted by Booster4075

I don't think so...this new guy has special beige plastic weird connectors on each end...and it goes directly from the CIC to USB port.... (unless it looks the same?!?) see this picture..

I have the new USB port and I know how the connector should look like and if I look at the below picture I have a feeling that the cable #7 might fit.

[gerritg]

Greetings from Germany in Munich,

Thanks for your all great posts. I think I am also going to swap/retrofit my BMW E93 335i MY08 with the new CIC. My car already has CCC with all options except USB connector in the centre console.

So as I understood I will need following things. Please help me out if I am wrong.

1 x Board Monitor with higher resolution CIC
1 x Car Infotainment Computer CIC
1 x I-Drive Controller CIC

as most mechanical hardware is plug and play like
the
1x I-Drive Controller just swap
1x Car Infotainment Computer

I need to consider that new wires will be needed for
1x CIC to the board monitor
1x new wire for USB to the glove box

and I need to code and flash the car at friendly BMW dealer so everything is going to work. Here in Munich at a friendly BMW dealer this service can costs about €200 and takes about 2-3 hours.

If I have forgotten something please help me out. Also I would be very helpfull for a great summary if somebody has some time.

Best regards,
GG

[Booster4075]

Keep in mind that a successful retrofit (without a "hack") has not yet been done. It is NOT plug-n-play...yet. You may want to wait a few months to see a few people complete this (and how.) Ask your local friendly BMW dealer if they can program this retrofit FIRST. Its likely they can't.

Originally Posted by gerritg

Greetings from Germany in Munich,

Thanks for your all great posts. I think I am also going to swap/retrofit my BMW E93 335i MY08 with the new CIC. My car already has CCC with all options except USB connector in the centre console.

So as I understood I will need following things. Please help me out if I am wrong.

1 x Board Monitor with higher resolution CIC
1 x Car Infotainment Computer CIC
1 x I-Drive Controller CIC

as most mechanical hardware is plug and play like
the
1x I-Drive Controller just swap
1x Car Infotainment Computer

I need to consider that new wires will be needed for
1x CIC to the board monitor
1x new wire for USB to the glove box

and I need to code and flash the car at friendly BMW dealer so everything is going to work. Here in Munich at a friendly BMW dealer this service can costs about €200 and takes about 2-3 hours.

If I have forgotten something please help me out. Also I would be very helpfull for a great summary if somebody has some time.

Best regards,
GG

I think a few people have jumped the gun on this retrofit...buying parts, etc.. and such. Don't even plan on doing this (right now) unless you are planning on helping with the research and evolution of this retrofit. Plan on it NOT working if you swap parts right now - Just changing parts WILL NOT WORK. (well, everything will work except for Nav and Voice control.) If you read back a few pages, you will see that as of now, the BMW programming computer at the dealership level (ISTA/P) will not even recognize these parts in non-LCI cars and you will have you change the parts back to the CCC. A few of us with the parts are diligently working & experimenting to try to get this retrofit going.

Believe me, there will be a summary of parts required (and all part numbers, when/if obtained) as well as a procedure. But for now, we are not there.

[Fluffy bastard]

Originally Posted by Booster4075

Keep in mind that a successful retrofit (without a "hack") has not yet been done. It is NOT plug-n-play...yet. You may want to wait a few months to see a few people complete this (and how.) Ask your local friendly BMW dealer if they can program this retrofit FIRST. Its likely they can't.

Can you try to read my posts in this topic? If you get it, you'll see that you wrote is wrong.

[dmurray14]

Originally Posted by Booster4075

Keep in mind that a successful retrofit (without a "hack") has not yet been done. It is NOT plug-n-play...yet. You may want to wait a few months to see a few people complete this (and how.) Ask your local friendly BMW dealer if they can program this retrofit FIRST. Its likely they can't.




I think a few people have jumped the gun on this retrofit...buying parts, etc.. and such. Don't even plan on doing this (right now) unless you are planning on helping with the research and evolution of this retrofit. Plan on it NOT working if you swap parts right now - Just changing parts WILL NOT WORK. (well, everything will work except for Nav and Voice control.) If you read back a few pages, you will see that as of now, the BMW programming computer at the dealership level (ISTA/P) will not even recognize these parts in non-LCI cars and you will have you change the parts back to the CCC. A few of us with the parts are diligently working & experimenting to try to get this retrofit going.

Believe me, there will be a summary of parts required (and all part numbers, when/if obtained) as well as a procedure. But for now, we are not there.

IIRC they can just order the FSC at the dealer in Europe. From what I've heard, the FSC ban is US-only.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by dmurray14

IIRC they can just order the FSC at the dealer in Europe. From what I've heard, the FSC ban is US-only.

Now we need to find a way to load the suckers as the ISTA/P way does not work in non-factory CIC cars.

[Booster4075]

Originally Posted by Fluffy bastard

Can you try to read my posts in this topic? If you get it, you'll see that you wrote is wrong.

I know what you wrote and what I wrote. Trouble is, no one (including you) has laid it out without the mystique. And, as far as I am concerned, unless ISTA/P recognizes the CIC, controller, and CID in the car as valid part numbers, it's not a very good retrofit if someone wanted to get their car diagnosed, repaired, sell it, etc.. down the road. I do understand the methodology, but still, there seemingly is smoke & mirrors and great mystery surrounding it. I understand the FSC can be bought in Europe, however, that's only 1/3 of the battle. Even if I got the FSC today, I wouldn't be able to do anything with it? Or would I?

So, there are still a bunch of us (with parts installed) that haven't got it done.