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      05-02-2006, 12:41 AM   #23
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I wonder how the Steptronic Auto would fair in manual sport mode versus a standard BMW manual????
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Agent how much do you weigh?
Only 150 pounds. Hopefully thatll give me the edge.


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I wonder how the Steptronic Auto would fair in manual sport mode versus a standard BMW manual????
interesting me too, even more things to try!

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Nice cannot wait to witness this at the meet. I might even weigh in to see how a auto xi fairs.
i always wanted to test out regular i vs xi in performance too. I wonder how much slower the xi actually is?
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Im gonna launch at 4200 with no wheel spin and get a good car on him off the launch... lol
Then he'll brake-torque until 6000rpm and smoke you off the line.
now THATS going to be sad.

Artz, if in ANY of those videos, I see him taking you off the line, Im going to laugh.
You better get to practicing.
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Then he'll brake-torque until 6000rpm and smoke you off the line.
now THATS going to be sad.

Artz, if in ANY of those videos, I see him taking you off the line, Im going to laugh.
You better get to practicing.
u can only power brake about 1500 1700 rpm. i tried it in my moms 330 auto. I should get him off the line because ill be launching at higer RPM. the key is wheel spin. My kuhmos are almost worn they arnt that sticky anymore
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Only 150 pounds. Hopefully thatll give me the edge.




interesting me too, even more things to try!



i always wanted to test out regular i vs xi in performance too. I wonder how much slower the xi actually is?
I have you on weight by 25 ppounds lol i weigh less.
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Then he'll brake-torque until 6000rpm and smoke you off the line.
now THATS going to be sad.

Artz, if in ANY of those videos, I see him taking you off the line, Im going to laugh.
You better get to practicing.
haha i brake-torque that high and i ll clear spin the tires right off my car.
but, i got my sweet spot down
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u can only power brake about 1500 1700 rpm. i tried it in my moms 330 auto. I should get him off the line because ill be launching at higer RPM. the key is wheel spin. My kuhmos are almost worn they arnt that sticky anymore

He's absolutely correct. Apprx. 1500-1800rpm. Launches like a rocket with absolutely 0 wheel spin. Launch even a tiny bit more than that and the tires start spinning so much that when i did that against the G35 he was already long gone.

edit; oh yeah my engine is still fairly new
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He's absolutely correct. Apprx. 1500-1800rpm. Launches like a rocket with absolutely 0 wheel spin. Launch even a tiny bit more than that and the tires start spinning so much that when i did that against the G35 he was already long gone.
do it like 50 more times, then tell your dealer you need a new transaxle
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do it like 50 more times, then tell your dealer you need a new transaxle
haha by then the car lease will be over, theyll CPO it.
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haha by then the car lease will be over, theyll CPO it.
ahha nice, by the time i burn my clutch out my lease will be over too.. Im turboing my lease car cause i dont give a fuck. ahha
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Regarding brake torque...I think I understand the concept, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Shift to N, apply brake, rev the engine and push down harder on the brake, then shift to DS and stomp on the accelerator?

Is there anything else to it? Is it tricky to get from N to DS? Can you push down on the brake, shift to DS and then wait for a green light to just stomp and go?
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Regarding brake torque...I think I understand the concept, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Shift to N, apply brake, rev the engine and push down harder on the brake, then shift to DS and stomp on the accelerator?

Is there anything else to it? Is it tricky to get from N to DS? Can you push down on the brake, shift to DS and then wait for a green light to just stomp and go?
yea, N and rev to like 5K then switch to DS or D quick and Accel.

Hope your SA likes you, cause BMW sure in hell wont warranty a new tranny for you once then run a diag on how you blew up your shit
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yea, N and rev to like 5K then switch to DS or D quick and Accel.

Hope your SA likes you, cause BMW sure in hell wont warranty a new tranny for you once then run a diag on how you blew up your shit
are you guys sure? my step won't allow me to do that. I won't be able to shift to D or DS when my accelerator is pressed down.
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are you guys sure? my step won't allow me to do that. I won't be able to shift to D or DS when my accelerator is pressed down.

That's not how i do it. I leave it in DS mode and then press the brake firmly. THen I rev the engine to about 1800rpm while in DS mode with my foot on the brake. The car is dying to take off. After that i release the brake and simutanously hit the gas pedal(not stomp but very quick gradual motion). The car takes off like a bat out of hell.
If i stomp or rev too high while braking, 100% of the time = tires spin, dsc/dtc comes on, i dont go anywhere.

p.s.^prob dont recommend doing that more than once a week or so.
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That's not how i do it. I leave it in DS mode and then press the brake firmly. THen I rev the engine to about 1800rpm while in DS mode with my foot on the brake. The car is dying to take off. After that i release the brake and simutanously hit the gas pedal(not stomp but very quick gradual motion). The car takes off like a bat out of hell.
If i stomp or rev too high while braking, 100% of the time = tires spin, dsc/dtc comes on, i dont go anywhere.

p.s.^prob dont recommend doing that more than once a week or so.
Not recommended for the car you own...leased car is okay...
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As there is only one gear change to 60mph, it's not much of test between gearboxes is it?

Maybe the auto is close to the manual on a sprint, but what about the other 99.9% of the time when the auto is STILL crap and sluggish and changes up and down when you don't want it to and uses more fuel and weighs more and eliminates the possibility of any proper fun driving.

Thats why, in Europe, women and old ladies are the buyers of automatics.
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Uhh..I wonder what the .2 second difference that BMW quotes for the difference in 0-60 between the 330i manual vs. auto is in real life; three inches, maybe four?

60 miles/h = 3801600 inch/hour = 1056 inch/second

=> in 0.2 second the distance you will make when driving with 60 miles/h is 211,2 inch.

am i wrong?
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      05-02-2006, 08:17 AM   #40
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the auto is much slower than the manual in every case. whoever says it otherwise was either comparing it to someone who couldn't drive stick or had an SMG type transmission which can be a fraction faster.
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Maybe the auto is close to the manual on a sprint, but what about the other 99.9% of the time when the auto is STILL crap and sluggish and changes up and down when you don't want it to
You obviously haven't driven the E90 Steptronic car, especially in DS mode.
Nothing like your description.
The DS mode responds instantly and doesnt change up or down when you dont want it to.

D mode has a couple of little quirks, and I agree with you that it can have a mind of its own on occassion,but D mode is designed for economy driving.

DS mode is very good. If you have an opportunity to drive an equivalent car as yours with the 6 speed steptronic, you will be pleasantly surprised.

I leave M mode for hills and things.
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Of course a manual is faster otherwise all racing cars would be autos. Wouldn't it be nice to see a NASCAR with automatic and cruise control.
This is wrong. He stated 0-60, not track times. 0-60 would be more in line with quarter mile racing. Drag cars are automatics almost exclusively. Another thought is if you are running a quarter mile or 0-60 time, you are going to beat the crap out of you manual car. Driving the auto will be much easier on the car.

I have had most all manuals in my life. I ordered the step this time. Now I know I will miss the manual when I am really driving and going around turns and such. I hope I don't miss it too much, but driving around the city is getting to be a little bit of a pain with the manual. Guess I am getting old.
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Perhaps I was a little harsh, but I have driven several new step6 BMW's including the 330i, which I test drove for a weekend.

DS isn't bad, but its still a torque converter slushmatic, even with modern controls.

I've also just got rid of a Audi A3 DSG, which was the best auto I ever used (and WAS quicker and more MPG than the manual), but still didn't do it for me.
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I've also just got rid of a Audi A3 DSG, which was the best auto I ever used (and WAS quicker and more MPG than the manual), but still didn't do it for me.
That's good to hear. I've been hearing that the DSG tranny is the best non-manual transmission on a production car.

I've had manuals all my life and cant see myself in an auto, but the DSG does sound intriguing to me. Regardless, my next BMW will still be a manual even if they're losing some of their advantage over autos.

This is a lot more fun than this
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