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      07-26-2014, 11:25 PM   #1
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Suprised no one has really made a thread about this yet.

Who else out there thinks its crazy and illegal whats happening there? Israeli army bombing hospitals, schools, beaches and killing women and children.

The IDF (Israel Defence Force) say they warned the Palestinians, but where are they supposed to go??? There's a huge wall one side and the sea the other. Are they supposed to all make a boat and hit the seas?

The IDF say they have the right to defend its citizens from rocket attacks, and i totally agree with them. They have huge amounts of investment from the US and have an amazing drone defense system which is very effective. The bumber of IDF soldiers killed in this operation is more than the number of Israelies killed by the attacks!

Please take the time to read this article by John Prescott: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...YsjEOl.twitter

And this video by Jon Snow (Channel 4 reporter):


Imagine if any other country got invaded by a certain ethnic group, their land being stolen, the original citizens being trapped in tiny areas physically, economic blockades so they all get into poverty, then when the people try to fight back they are brutally punished. The whole world would be up in arms to stop these people, dare i say it, terrorists?

The obvious answer is the special relationship the US has with Israel. I find it pretty ironic that on one hand the US is fighting this "War on Terror", and on the other its funding this massacre.

Also i would like to make clear there are a lot of Jews out there who oppose their Government actions. They set up groups and they hate what is happening. But coverage of these groups is kept to a minimum, you can probably guess why.

This is one of those Jewish groups. Have a read of the link which is their response to IDF attacks: http://www.truetorahjews.org/qanda/gaza1 Its really suprising to read views of jews, rabbis etc. The world would have you think that 100% of Jews support Israel!
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Nothing new, been going on for 7 decades and not likely to stop.
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The killing of innocent people is sad to see, but in my view this is part of the game Hamas are playing. They are inviting destruction to densely populated areas in attempt to capture a world wide audience to condemn Israel - seems to be going well so far. I can't see any other reason why they are storing destructive arms in schools and the like, and why they are even starting with Israel given their mite, yes i believe they always seem to instigate things.

Not sure what your comment about the idf losing more in this conflict than the attacks from hamas means, what do you expect them to do? Sit back and invite the rockets as its statistically better for them?

Additionally it seems the muslim world (i assume your muslim mob) are up in arms about the women and children being killed in gaza, but it doesnt appear anyone gives a rats ass about syria, iran, egypt in the past or the atrocities being commited by boko haram in nigeria? Is muslim on muslim crime acceptable? How many women and children have been killed in these countries? Im yet to see protests about innocent children being kidnapped and forgotten in nigeria, that loony tune in iran sweeping the land and killing everyone?

As per the above, this is an age old conflict - and i doubt you and i will see an end to it in our lifetimes.
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I think its shocking, totally inhumane and ever so sad!
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I think its shocking, totally inhumane and ever so sad!
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Unfortunately this will never be over until one side gives in.....

Ps be careful what you write - as it's an easy way to get banned from a forum!
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I really struggle with this, this sort of stuffs been going on for so long out there that long after I'm gone it'll be still going on IMO.

The escalation in violence has grabbed the headlines of course Israel military might v Hamas determination means this sad state of affairs ceasefire or not will be in/out the headlines for many years to come.

Very sad state of affairs
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Suprised no one has really made a thread about this yet.

Who else out there thinks its crazy and illegal whats happening there? Israeli army bombing hospitals, schools, beaches and killing women and children.

The IDF (Israel Defence Force) say they warned the Palestinians, but where are they supposed to go??? There's a huge wall one side and the sea the other. Are they supposed to all make a boat and hit the seas?

The IDF say they have the right to defend its citizens from rocket attacks, and i totally agree with them. They have huge amounts of investment from the US and have an amazing drone defense system which is very effective. The bumber of IDF soldiers killed in this operation is more than the number of Israelies killed by the attacks!

Please take the time to read this article by John Prescott: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...YsjEOl.twitter

And this video by Jon Snow (Channel 4 reporter):


Imagine if any other country got invaded by a certain ethnic group, their land being stolen, the original citizens being trapped in tiny areas physically, economic blockades so they all get into poverty, then when the people try to fight back they are brutally punished. The whole world would be up in arms to stop these people, dare i say it, terrorists?

The obvious answer is the special relationship the US has with Israel. I find it pretty ironic that on one hand the US is fighting this "War on Terror", and on the other its funding this massacre.

Also i would like to make clear there are a lot of Jews out there who oppose their Government actions. They set up groups and they hate what is happening. But coverage of these groups is kept to a minimum, you can probably guess why.

This is one of those Jewish groups. Have a read of the link which is their response to IDF attacks: http://www.truetorahjews.org/qanda/gaza1 Its really suprising to read views of jews, rabbis etc. The world would have you think that 100% of Jews support Israel!
what makes me laugh is the israelies are still hunting Nazi war criminals perhaps they should look closer to home?
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Suprised no one has really made a thread about this yet.

Who else out there thinks its crazy and illegal whats happening there? Israeli army bombing hospitals, schools, beaches and killing women and children.

The IDF (Israel Defence Force) say they warned the Palestinians, but where are they supposed to go??? There's a huge wall one side and the sea the other. Are they supposed to all make a boat and hit the seas?

The IDF say they have the right to defend its citizens from rocket attacks, and i totally agree with them. They have huge amounts of investment from the US and have an amazing drone defense system which is very effective. The bumber of IDF soldiers killed in this operation is more than the number of Israelies killed by the attacks!

Please take the time to read this article by John Prescott: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...YsjEOl.twitter

And this video by Jon Snow (Channel 4 reporter):


Imagine if any other country got invaded by a certain ethnic group, their land being stolen, the original citizens being trapped in tiny areas physically, economic blockades so they all get into poverty, then when the people try to fight back they are brutally punished. The whole world would be up in arms to stop these people, dare i say it, terrorists?

The obvious answer is the special relationship the US has with Israel. I find it pretty ironic that on one hand the US is fighting this "War on Terror", and on the other its funding this massacre.

Also i would like to make clear there are a lot of Jews out there who oppose their Government actions. They set up groups and they hate what is happening. But coverage of these groups is kept to a minimum, you can probably guess why.

This is one of those Jewish groups. Have a read of the link which is their response to IDF attacks: http://www.truetorahjews.org/qanda/gaza1 Its really suprising to read views of jews, rabbis etc. The world would have you think that 100% of Jews support Israel!
what makes me laugh is the israelies are still hunting Nazi war criminals perhaps they should look closer to home?
You'd think a race of people who know what it's like to be suppressed and murdered, would think twice to handing it out themselves !!
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The killing of innocent people is sad to see, but in my view this is part of the game Hamas are playing. They are inviting destruction to densely populated areas in attempt to capture a world wide audience to condemn Israel - seems to be going well so far. I can't see any other reason why they are storing destructive arms in schools and the like, and why they are even starting with Israel given their mite, yes i believe they always seem to instigate things.

Not sure what your comment about the idf losing more in this conflict than the attacks from hamas means, what do you expect them to do? Sit back and invite the rockets as its statistically better for them?

Additionally it seems the muslim world (i assume your muslim mob) are up in arms about the women and children being killed in gaza, but it doesnt appear anyone gives a rats ass about syria, iran, egypt in the past or the atrocities being commited by boko haram in nigeria? Is muslim on muslim crime acceptable? How many women and children have been killed in these countries? Im yet to see protests about innocent children being kidnapped and forgotten in nigeria, that loony tune in iran sweeping the land and killing everyone?

As per the above, this is an age old conflict - and i doubt you and i will see an end to it in our lifetimes.
Think your user name is quite fitting
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The killing of innocent people is sad to see, but in my view this is part of the game Hamas are playing. They are inviting destruction to densely populated areas in attempt to capture a world wide audience to condemn Israel - seems to be going well so far. I can't see any other reason why they are storing destructive arms in schools and the like, and why they are even starting with Israel given their mite, yes i believe they always seem to instigate things.

Not sure what your comment about the idf losing more in this conflict than the attacks from hamas means, what do you expect them to do? Sit back and invite the rockets as its statistically better for them?

Additionally it seems the muslim world (i assume your muslim mob) are up in arms about the women and children being killed in gaza, but it doesnt appear anyone gives a rats ass about syria, iran, egypt in the past or the atrocities being commited by boko haram in nigeria? Is muslim on muslim crime acceptable? How many women and children have been killed in these countries? Im yet to see protests about innocent children being kidnapped and forgotten in nigeria, that loony tune in iran sweeping the land and killing everyone?

As per the above, this is an age old conflict - and i doubt you and i will see an end to it in our lifetimes.
Pretty sure you didn't bother reading the link mentioned by mob17.
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The biggest terrorist organisation out there is the state of Israel... Need I say more!!

Oh and BBC and Sky News wake the f**p up and stop bullshitting and feeding people lies about the situation in Gaza!!

FREE PALESTINE!!!!
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Just read the John Prescot article. At last someone speaking sense.
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The killing of innocent people is sad to see, but in my view this is part of the game Hamas are playing. They are inviting destruction to densely populated areas in attempt to capture a world wide audience to condemn Israel - seems to be going well so far. I can't see any other reason why they are storing destructive arms in schools and the like, and why they are even starting with Israel given their mite, yes i believe they always seem to instigate things.
The IDF headquarters is surrounded by block of flats, shopping centre, school and offices.

The biggest legitimate target not exactly kept away from civilian area
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Don't believe everything you read or see on news

Interesting video
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Or read on forums?!?
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Just realized i posted this message on another thread by mistake lol, oops. Anyways here it is:

Sad state of affairs indeed, my heart goes out to the innocent children and adults alike that have been caught up in this Hamas vs Israeli conflict.

Depending on which side you are supporting, it's hard to dismiss the fact that Israel is taking things too far with this collective punishment of the Gaza public. Most of the casualties have been innocent civilians and schools and hospitals have been destroyed. Now we must ask ourselves, how is this supposedly getting rid of these so called "terrorists" that Israel are ranting on about?

What's more is that our own David Cameroon has come out and firmly expressed support for Israel in this ongoing crisis when the evidence is there to show that this isn't a war. A war would imply that either chance has a side of winning. So far it seems like "Operation: wipe out Palestine".

I just hope peace is restored soon, it's not fair for children to be living like this. It's not fair for the innocents to wake up everyday wondering if they would survive another day.
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Very true. But have to admit that news coverage seems to be more than a little bit biased. The Israeli offensive is completely indiscriminate and disproportionate. If this was any country other than Israel there would be international condemnation of the atrocities and war crimes
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+1 Confused.com

Any news we read or hear will always be biased either way.

My heart goes out to all the children that have been injured on both sides.

This is all terrible news for both sides and the Palestinians are suffering, but the Jewish people and their image are also being destroyed.

Hamas must agree to a ceasefire otherwise they are just inviting more blood shed.

There is hopefully a way of coming to an agreement but history has shown that religion as an entire entity is a major cause of conflict anywhere and everywhere.
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The killing of innocent people is sad to see, but in my view this is part of the game Hamas are playing. They are inviting destruction to densely populated areas in attempt to capture a world wide audience to condemn Israel - seems to be going well so far. I can't see any other reason why they are storing destructive arms in schools and the like, and why they are even starting with Israel given their mite, yes i believe they always seem to instigate things.

Not sure what your comment about the idf losing more in this conflict than the attacks from hamas means, what do you expect them to do? Sit back and invite the rockets as its statistically better for them?

Additionally it seems the muslim world (i assume your muslim mob) are up in arms about the women and children being killed in gaza, but it doesnt appear anyone gives a rats ass about syria, iran, egypt in the past or the atrocities being commited by boko haram in nigeria? Is muslim on muslim crime acceptable? How many women and children have been killed in these countries? Im yet to see protests about innocent children being kidnapped and forgotten in nigeria, that loony tune in iran sweeping the land and killing everyone?

As per the above, this is an age old conflict - and i doubt you and i will see an end to it in our lifetimes.
I bet you do not know the origin of Hamas...



And if you think Hamas should be punished, then yes I am in agreement with it but why killing kids playing on the beach....
What justification would you give for that?
Were those kids hiding rockets in the beach sand or under the water?

And something else for you to read

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07...inian-mothers/


I will avoid commenting on your forum name but your statement has said it enough.

Lastly, you do not have to be MUSLIM to feel for whats going on.
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What's more is that our own David Cameroon has come out and firmly expressed support for Israel in this ongoing crisis when the evidence is there to show that this isn't a war. A war would imply that either chance has a side of winning. So far it seems like "Operation: wipe out Palestine".
Unfortunately, we (British) have lost our own identity. We are seen as a bitch of USA globally! Whatever they say, we will do without even thinking let alone questioning.
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