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      08-26-2014, 03:51 PM   #45
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Don't be so pessimistic guys lol, the g37 as a lot of cars will feel much faster because of the lack of torque on our cars, that doesn't mean that they're that much faster. Again, I talk from my personal experience with my car (so I can't vouch for a FBO 328i), I've raced at least 2 g35's that I remember and the outcome was very similar, they were both modded, one I beat by 2.5CL from 100km/h to 200km/h, the other one was harder to say because of the context of the race, however one thing I can say is that I was faster, don't know how much....

Was I lucky? Were there both G35's earlier models that had less hp and auto like mine? maybe ... if not I see no reason why if I would go FBO on my 330i to not be able to at least keep up with a g37 from a 60+mph roll
When you say earlier model g35 you know they still only had 5at which is already one gear short then the 330i and in terms of horsepower the 330i has about 8 less. So for you reason stating that you were quick is true because it was pretty much dead even at stock. Then came the 2007 year which changed quite a bit .
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What would be interesting to see is a 330i with full breather mods + ess upcoming sc kit if it becomes available +tune some race gas and wide sticky tires list goes on. Vs g37 with breather mods + tune & wide sticky tires. I would like to see that. A g37 with a sc kit is a whole different story. Not bashing but its bluntly facts. Love my e90 still have it juat both cars drive differently at the end of the day. Just what I feel about both cars.
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370z stock performance is up there with the 335, so the 330 won't be much of a match. The 370z has over 330hp and and around 280lbs of torque and can go 0-60 just under 5 seconds. So the 330 is not even in the same ballpark. A tuned 330 might be able to hang with a G37 but that can be debated too.
Agreed, a 370z will walk a stock/lightly modified e90 330i any day under any circumstances. Not basing myself on the magazines times, but on the experiences I had against lightly modded 350z's which should be in the same territory if I'm not mistaken.

My experience with g35's and g37's has been different though, maybe I was lucky.

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Welllllll....you guys aren't doing the math correctly.
Full bolt ons is around 235-250whp (and I'm being generous) and weigh around 33xxlbs (without driver)

That's about a 14.xx 1/4 depending on gearing.
http://robrobinette.com/et.htm

A G37 is already a low 14/ high 13 second car depending on transmission and driver, and they have 275+whp...so yeah, it's not happening.
I ran 14.4 98mph (stock auto 2.3 60ft), look at dragtimes, I'm not the only one. Cut the 60ft by .3 and you'll be in the high 13's.... for pretty much stock...

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When you say earlier model g35 you know they still only had 5at which is already one gear short then the 330i and in terms of horsepower the 330i has about 8 less. So for you reason stating that you were quick is true because it was pretty much dead even at stock. Then came the 2007 year which changed quite a bit .
2004 only and it was lighter then they're now, but yeah an auto would be slow
http://www.edmunds.com/infiniti/g35/...res-specs.html

2005+ (298hp lol)
http://www.edmunds.com/infiniti/g35/...res-specs.html

But that's besides the point, the ones I've raced were all 2 doors (so actually heavier btw.) and I tried to be humble in my comments about them being auto and much earlier models...

In the end my point is that from a roll 60+mph a e90 330i or fbo 328i will hang and even beat some cars that are faster on the 1/4 mile, have more whp (for more or less similar weight) and that feel faster when you drive them compared to the bmw.
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lol wanted to quote the g25 comment from "TheAxiom", hahaha thanks for ruining my fun!!!

Just kidding, usually I can tell them a part visually, when i see a g25 I know right away that something is wrong with that "g37" lol, but hey I never did saw the numbers on the badge as it was dark, and I guess that you can build the g25 to look "exactly" as a g37. If it was a g25 though, I think I need to take my car to the garage cause something must be wrong with it, if I barely inched away after 160km/h... sure feels like it's running super strong though...
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you really think we can take 350z or g35? I doubt it, well maybe not my car because its automatic awd abd my best 1/4 time was 14.65 @ 98.5 mph I think, and a 6.2 0-60..only one way to find out.. to the track!
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you really think we can take 350z or g35? I doubt it, well maybe not my car because its automatic awd abd my best 1/4 time was 14.65 @ 98.5 mph I think, and a 6.2 0-60..only one way to find out.. to the track!
Not sure if you are referring to me or the op, in my case "I don't think" it's a reality in regards to the g35's, never had a chance to run a 350z stock though.... modded they're faster.


BTW. you have the mph to hit low 14's, your 60ft must be killing you in an auto awd (+ the added weight).... so don't expect to get great 0-60mph times.

Taking all that into consideration your time is really good, you're just as fast as me but you're awd... so it's really not that bad, if you would have been manual, you would be in the 13's... as you could get a really good 60ft in theory.

Yeah I know you can't just add/substract to 1/4 mile times like that, this is an estimation for fun purpose only obviously.

Btw. thanks for posting the times, there doesn't seem much people with the N52 trying them on the 1/4 mile time.
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BTW. you have the mph to hit low 14's, your 60ft must be killing you in an auto awd (+ the added weight).... so don't expect to get great 0-60mph times.
explain that, you have my attention, are you saying if I improve my 60 ft ill have a better 1/4 time, yet Ill still have a slower 0-60?

Im going to try to shift at 6k rpm after m2 and see what happens
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explain that, you have my attention, are you saying if I improve my 60 ft ill have a better 1/4 time, yet Ill still have a slower 0-60?

Im going to try to shift at 6k rpm after m2 and see what happens

What I meant was that with a bad 60ft don't expect to have a good 0-60mph...

I'm guessing the combination of awd and auto makes it very hard to launch the car and would result in horrible 60ft for you (if we look at the mph vs the time you run in the 1/4 mile). The 60ft has a pretty big impact on your 1/4 mile time as well, and it's not 1:1 so .2 over 60ft could mean .3 or more off the 1/4 mile.
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What I meant was that with a bad 60ft don't expect to have a good 0-60mph...

I'm guessing the combination of awd and auto makes it very hard to launch the car and would result in horrible 60ft for you (if we look at the mph vs the time you run in the 1/4 mile). The 60ft has a pretty big impact on your 1/4 mile time as well, and it's not 1:1 so .2 over 60ft could mean .3 or more off the 1/4 mile.
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How are you guys recording these times?
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How are you guys recording these times?
On my side, at the local track, I actually need to return and retry with lower rear tire pressure in the hopes of getting a better 60ft.
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Agreed, a 370z will walk a stock/lightly modified e90 330i any day under any circumstances. Not basing myself on the magazines times, but on the experiences I had against lightly modded 350z's which should be in the same territory if I'm not mistaken.

My experience with g35's and g37's has been different though, maybe I was lucky.



I ran 14.4 98mph (stock auto 2.3 60ft), look at dragtimes, I'm not the only one. Cut the 60ft by .3 and you'll be in the high 13's.... for pretty much stock...



2004 only and it was lighter then they're now, but yeah an auto would be slow
http://www.edmunds.com/infiniti/g35/...res-specs.html

2005+ (298hp lol)
http://www.edmunds.com/infiniti/g35/...res-specs.html

But that's besides the point, the ones I've raced were all 2 doors (so actually heavier btw.) and I tried to be humble in my comments about them being auto and much earlier models...

In the end my point is that from a roll 60+mph a e90 330i or fbo 328i will hang and even beat some cars that are faster on the 1/4 mile, have more whp (for more or less similar weight) and that feel faster when you drive them compared to the bmw.

I can't accept a 98mph trap speed on these cars stock - MAYBE with full bolt ons, but not stock.
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I can't accept a 98mph trap speed on these cars stock - MAYBE with full bolt ons, but not stock.
well that's your choice to not accept it, but the reality is what it is... as mentionned look at dratimes.com for an e90 330i and you'll see a few that are stock and run 98mph, look at card and driver times for the stock e90 330i, same thing 98mph, also to compare look at the stock 325i times which trapped 94mph.

I'm sorry for the ones that run crappy times on the 1/4 or 0 to 60mph (not aimed at anyone in particular), but don't put us all in the same basket, some N52 actually perform quite ok and we have the proof (our times), so it's not impossible or out of the ordinary.
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well that's your choice to not accept it, but the reality is what it is... as mentionned look at dratimes.com for an e90 330i and you'll see a few that are stock and run 98mph, look at card and driver times for the stock e90 330i, same thing 98mph, also to compare look at the stock 325i times which trapped 94mph.

I'm sorry for the ones that run crappy times on the 1/4 or 0 to 60mph (not aimed at anyone in particular), but don't put us all in the same basket, some N52 actually perform quite ok and we have the proof (our times), so it's not impossible or out of the ordinary.
No, there is 1 time a 330i ran with a 98mph trap speed, and that is from Car And Driver, the rest of the test (which I'm currently reviewing) have the trap speed around 94-95mph

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...powertrain.pdf

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...t-for-38-3.pdf

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...ertrain-ss.pdf

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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s_pricing.html

I personally only trapped 91ish MPH when I ran at the track last fall, and that was a completely stock 328i. No way a 325 is running 2-3mph faster with LESS power.
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No, there is 1 time a 330i ran with a 98mph trap speed, and that is from Car And Driver, the rest of the test (which I'm currently reviewing) have the trap speed around 94-95mph

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...powertrain.pdf

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...t-for-38-3.pdf

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...ertrain-ss.pdf

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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html

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I personally only trapped 91ish MPH when I ran at the track last fall, and that was a completely stock 328i. No way a 325 is running 2-3mph faster with LESS power.
we can play this game all day I'll find faster and you'll show me slower ones. ... That's not the point, of course for each car make/model you'll find slower and faster times.

so I guess all those that did run 98mph, being car and driver, me and all the other owners from drag times are either lying or hav3 some sort of magical n52. ....
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Just looked at your links some of them show that the 328i running 96mph. Why wouldn't a 330i be able to run 2mph more....

Yes some will be slower, but it is not normal, either issue with the car, driver, weather conditions, track, etc
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There is only 1 test of a 330i trapping 98mph. I would LOVE for you to find more.
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There is only 1 test of a 330i trapping 98mph. I would LOVE for you to find more.
There is me, there is the guy with the 330XI over here, there's car and driver, there's drag times, where there are a few as well:
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--330i-Drag-Racing.html
-look at the 2006 330i models obviously, yes there are some slow ones as well, didn't say it couldn't run a 94mph lol, you can even do worse lol, but it's not how badly it can perform on the 1/4 but how fast it can be in normal conditions.



there are also all of the other times run by 328 ~95-96mph by the links that YOU posted...

I'm not the only one and my car or track I run on isn't magical as the case for those mentionned above.

So in the end let me ask you this, what's your explanation for those that run 98mph because as proven it wasn't just ONE? We're liars? we put in secrelty a nitrous kit? wtf?!?! seriously, as mentioned if some don't run good times, don't put everyone in the same basket, and yes usually bmw's wil run more of the worst times than good why?

- because usually used bmw's aren't always bought by people that have money to maintain them properly and a bmw it's a fine tuned machine (like the expression), so if something is out of sync it's oging to show

- most people don't use their bmw's to run 1/4 mile times and are not drag racers, so they suck and their times will show

- most bmw's are also automatic and people rarely brake boost, so off the line it will be a dog big time...which will kill the 1/4 mile time obviously....


Stop trying to prove my car doesn't run the time it does, cause oh well.. it did.. lol can't say more than that...
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