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      01-14-2008, 01:33 PM   #1
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Lowering springs vs Coilovers (H&R vs KW V3)

Hey guys, I will be getting rims for my car soon and want to match them with suspension. What are the ups and downs of getting just lowering springs or coilovers. V3's or H&R for an xi car. Your thoughts.
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H&R or KW V3

I was just looking for more stuff and came across the H&R coilover set for xi. The price is about 500 less than KW. Which one you think is better? I don't really track a lot, what are the advantages of any of them Which one offers the best quality for your money. Is it worth the extra $$$$$ for the V3's. Or can I just go with Lowering springs and get decent looks, performance and ride quality?
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If you don't track your car then you probably don't need to go with KW V3's since you won't need that much adjustability. I also think that too many things to adjust will also probably hurt your setup more than help it if you don't know how to set it up properly. Also, I don't see how you can even compare springs and stock struts to KW V3's or even V1's for that matter.

Look at it this way... H&R springs on your stock struts will most likely hurt your handling, and coilovers will improve it. With that said, I haven't heard too many good things about H&R coilovers, but I have also never used them so I can't say. I just installed a set of KW V2's and I would recommend either going with them or a set of bilsteins (pss9 or the new pss10 that are coming out soon). Everyone who has KWs and Bilsteins seems to have been happy with their purchase.
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If you don't track your car then you probably don't need to go with KW V3's since you won't need that much adjustability. I also think that too many things to adjust will also probably hurt your setup more than help it if you don't know how to set it up properly. Also, I don't see how you can even compare springs and stock struts to KW V3's or even V1's for that matter.

Look at it this way... H&R springs on your stock struts will most likely hurt your handling, and coilovers will improve it. With that said, I haven't heard too many good things about H&R coilovers, but I have also never used them so I can't say. I just installed a set of KW V2's and I would recommend either going with them or a set of bilsteins (pss9 or the new pss10 that are coming out soon). Everyone who has KWs and Bilsteins seems to have been happy with their purchase.
The only problem I face with KW is that the only available set up for xi cars is the V3's, not that I need all that adjustability, and I agree that if I dont know how to adjust them it might hurt the set up, but is more a matter of a lack of choices. I have read great reviews about the KW's, not so much about the H&R. I wont take those V3's to the extent of their potential but is the best thing available for xi models so far and I dont want to buy anything else and regret it later just to end up buying the expensive ones later.
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The only problem I face with KW is that the only available set up for xi cars is the V3's, not that I need all that adjustability, and I agree that if I dont know how to adjust them it might hurt the set up, but is more a matter of a lack of choices. I have read great reviews about the KW's, not so much about the H&R. I wont take those V3's to the extent of their potential but is the best thing available for xi models so far and I dont want to buy anything else and regret it later just to end up buying the expensive ones later.
Oh, I see. I'm sorry, I didn't know that they were the only model available for the xi. I wonder if there are any plans to offer V1 or V2's for that car. What about bilstein, do they offer anything?
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What is part number for KW V3 for 2007 328xi? My friend is having a hard time looking for the number!

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Oh, I see. I'm sorry, I didn't know that they were the only model available for the xi. I wonder if there are any plans to offer V1 or V2's for that car. What about bilstein, do they offer anything?
I just found a bilstein kit. It runs around $1,700 and doen't feature damping adjustability. Is Bilstein that much better?
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Where can you buy the H&R for $500 less that KW??
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a coilover system will be best over new springs/shocks. if you want to lower your car and have a decent drive that's not $$$$ you can go with say h&r sport springs & koni yellow springs..but that will not compare to the kw v3 or h&r coilovers..if your spending a good 500-1000$ more for coilovers obviously your going to get a better quality & feel/ride. personally i am planning to do either the kw v3's or the h&r's within the next couple months when winter leaves, but i'm kind of leaning towards the h&r's...i guess that's me, i do read around and haven't found anything really negative about each.
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^ I don't have a lot of experience with suspension and I really don't feel like experimenting with some expensive V3's and mess with them too much. I would prefer the V2's but they are not avail for xi. Anyways, I think I might just go for lowering springs. I am more inclined now on spending the money on a Yamaha R1 instead of mods for my car. I think a sportsbike and a mildly modded car can bring more smiles to my face than just a lot of money dumped into just a car. That's just how I feel now. I am ordering the bike next week.
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Is H&R coil for the xi available now ??

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Aside from adjustability, coilovers will NOT necessarily give you a better ride. It depends on what you want. In fact KONI FSD's provide a better balance of ride comfort and performance then most any coil-over set up.
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Hey guys, I will be getting rims for my car soon and want to match them with suspension. What are the ups and downs of getting just lowering springs or coilovers. V3's or H&R for an xi car. Your thoughts.
What did you end up getting? I am in the same boat. I think my OEM shocks are ready to be replaced after a year on H&R sports, but I don't want to spend $$$$ on a coilover set for features/performance I don't need. I am just looking for a comfortable ride.
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how long have you installed your H&R sports MichTa? I'm scared of installing it and the shocks blowing out after a year. I still have more than 2 years to go in my lease @
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Aside from adjustability, coilovers will NOT necessarily give you a better ride. It depends on what you want. In fact KONI FSD's provide a better balance of ride comfort and performance then most any coil-over set up.
I agree. If you want coilovers, the H&R's will be a good choice for you and the most compliant ride, but only buy them if you want a particular ride height you can't get with the other non coilover suspensions. The FSD's are a very good choice if the ride height suits you.
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I always let my customers know the drawbacks of doing just a spring - and seriously I get a ton of calls on now they want shocks to compliment it. We were backordered on the koni's for awhile, and I had 5 sets come in (past week) now we're down to 3 or 2 last I checked. For the xi however there are no koni's.

That being said - most inexpensive way to get a drop is with H&R springs for an xi.

Now officially only the KW V3 xi is supported for the 335xi model.

That being said, I belive we were the first to put on H&R coilovers on rldzhao's car, because yes it will work on the xi model. However they dont officially support it. the H&Rs are a soft ride - not adjustable in terms of the shock, just the ride height. But they do a great job and great quality.

The V3's are going to give you full adjustability, basically its the best of the best.
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