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      01-14-2008, 02:47 PM   #1
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F1 Qualifying my idea to spice it up a bit

Lets be honest the main race is mainly dull but the Saturday qualifying is always rubbish with heavy cars burning fuel and a 5 minute frenzy at the end with the same order for every grid.

Bring on the Focus 1.8 as the way forward.

1.Everyone gets an indentical FIA owned focus and are distributed on the day by pulling balls out of a bag. No setup allowed on the cars these are just as they would come to the showroom + harness + roll cage. All are rolling road checked by FIA for equality between cars.

2. Everyone is given one flying lap in the focus which equals grid position for the qualifying race. Saturday at 12.00 p.m.

3. Qualifying race equals 10 lap race in the focus on Saturday 12.30 p.m. This will shake it up a bit we will not just have the usual suspects in the top 5 on the grid and then will make the main race more interesting with lesser teams at the top of the grid.

Far more people would watch this In my opinion it would be fantastic.

Anyone want to add or got better ideas?
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i think that would be rubbish. It could be a good series of racing but not for f1

F1 needs to stay the pinnicle of motorsport and needs to have money spent on it to stay there.. I think they should still be running 3.5 litres like they were 13 odd years ago.

The fact TC is going is good and i think they shoudl bring back the old qualifying format of 1 hour fri and 1 hour sat with 12 laps each, using 4 sets of tyres and as low as you want on fuel..


This format showed WHO had the best set up/prepared car and WHO was the quickest outright whcih back in the day was Ayrton Senna. Even in inferior equipment.
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i think that would be rubbish. It could be a good series of racing but not for f1

F1 needs to stay the pinnicle of motorsport and needs to have money spent on it to stay there.. I think they should still be running 3.5 litres like they were 13 odd years ago.

The fact TC is going is good and i think they shoudl bring back the old qualifying format of 1 hour fri and 1 hour sat with 12 laps each, using 4 sets of tyres and as low as you want on fuel..


This format showed WHO had the best set up/prepared car and WHO was the quickest outright whcih back in the day was Ayrton Senna. Even in inferior equipment.

+1 Thats the second time ive agreed with you in one day......im very worried
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+2 on this.

The original quali format existed ok relatively undisturbed for years.

Why? cos it worked.

They now change the formula every time the sun disapears behind a cloud ferchrissakes.

What about getting each driver to drink eight pints and drive a beaten up corsa through a simulated back lane blast home from the pub. Driver who gets furthest down the track before stuffing it into a hedge gets pole. Simple

FIA - Just bite the bullet & put it back as it was.
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Have to agree, all this messing around is only doing more to alienate viewers. Someone obviously hasn't got the balls to admit that they're wrong and just put it back to how it should be.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Carlos either (even on the Senna comment)
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Nice idea but have to agree with fandango.

Also you would still see the top drivers at the front as although they have the better cars they are also the better drivers.
They have proved themselves in various other motorsports to get to the top where as the others normally have to provide sponsorship or pay to get their drive!
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Actually I'd like to see them push technology in a useful direction which is relevent to future motoring...

1. All engines to be < 1.4litres since thats all the government will allow us in a few years.

2. Maximum CO2 ratings to be imposed.

3. Impose a fuel ration. Each season this ration will be reduced. This simulates the effect of fuel tax.

4. Bring back turbos & superchargers and even pedals if they want but any such performance improving devices will have to show an economy improvement before passing scrutineering.

5. Its not fair to have the richest and most successful setting a bad example so at the mid point of the season the top 3 drivers have to swap to diesel engines for the remainder of the season.

6. Going fast isn't environmentally sound and we shouldn't be condoning it anymore. The main straight of each circuit to be replaced with an obstacle course of potholes, speed bumps and speed cameras

7. Penalties for not carrying a passenger - what waste single seaters are. Honestly.

8. Boot space. God knows how these crazy F1 guys have been getting away with it for so long but they should have to carry a set load, maybe a typical weekly shop and a bunch of pushchairs and the like. The size and weight of this will be a mystery randomly chosen for each race. Points to be deducted for broken eggs.

9. Econo-lanes. Yes, just like bus lanes for racing circuits these will be placed on the racing line for selected corners. Only drivers of human powered, fuel cell or solar powered cars will be allowed to use them.
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Actually I'd like to see them push technology in a useful direction which is relevent to future motoring...

1. All engines to be < 1.4litres since thats all the government will allow us in a few years.

2. Maximum CO2 ratings to be imposed.

3. Impose a fuel ration. Each season this ration will be reduced. This simulates the effect of fuel tax.

4. Bring back turbos & superchargers and even pedals if they want but any such performance improving devices will have to show an economy improvement before passing scrutineering.

5. Its not fair to have the richest and most successful setting a bad example so at the mid point of the season the top 3 drivers have to swap to diesel engines for the remainder of the season.

6. Going fast isn't environmentally sound and we shouldn't be condoning it anymore. The main straight of each circuit to be replaced with an obstacle course of potholes, speed bumps and speed cameras

7. Penalties for not carrying a passenger - what waste single seaters are. Honestly.

8. Boot space. God knows how these crazy F1 guys have been getting away with it for so long but they should have to carry a set load, maybe a typical weekly shop and a bunch of pushchairs and the like. The size and weight of this will be a mystery randomly chosen for each race. Points to be deducted for broken eggs.

9. Econo-lanes. Yes, just like bus lanes for racing circuits these will be placed on the racing line for selected corners. Only drivers of human powered, fuel cell or solar powered cars will be allowed to use them.


On point 7, maybe they could have 'fast' multiple occupancy lanes, or a bus/taxi lane like on the M4, so the teams that put both drivers in one car will be able to speed past everyone else stuck in a traffic jam.
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Actually I'd like to see them push technology in a useful direction which is relevent to future motoring...

1. All engines to be < 1.4litres since thats all the government will allow us in a few years.

2. Maximum CO2 ratings to be imposed.

3. Impose a fuel ration. Each season this ration will be reduced. This simulates the effect of fuel tax.

4. Bring back turbos & superchargers and even pedals if they want but any such performance improving devices will have to show an economy improvement before passing scrutineering.

5. Its not fair to have the richest and most successful setting a bad example so at the mid point of the season the top 3 drivers have to swap to diesel engines for the remainder of the season.

6. Going fast isn't environmentally sound and we shouldn't be condoning it anymore. The main straight of each circuit to be replaced with an obstacle course of potholes, speed bumps and speed cameras

7. Penalties for not carrying a passenger - what waste single seaters are. Honestly.

8. Boot space. God knows how these crazy F1 guys have been getting away with it for so long but they should have to carry a set load, maybe a typical weekly shop and a bunch of pushchairs and the like. The size and weight of this will be a mystery randomly chosen for each race. Points to be deducted for broken eggs.

9. Econo-lanes. Yes, just like bus lanes for racing circuits these will be placed on the racing line for selected corners. Only drivers of human powered, fuel cell or solar powered cars will be allowed to use them.
There should be extra points for 'car sharing' schemes as well.

If this had been around last year Alonso and Hamilton could have shared a car (for bonus points) which would have greatly reduced the in-team rivalry and their carbon footprint.
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Pfft Hamilton is too young, he will be limited to a 1000cc car as he's a damn high insurance risk.
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Pfft Hamilton is too young, he will be limited to a 1000cc car as he's a damn high insurance risk.
If they did a car share Alonso could drive while Hamilton worked out the amount carbon emissions to offset.

Alternatively they could do a 'blue motion' style F1 car, with improved aerodynamics (all those wings to increase downforce also increase fuel consumption). They could also optimise the gearing for economy rather than speed.

I've often thought that if they drove more smoothly they would improve their economy. Late braking and full throttle acceleration just isn't necessary. More haste less speed I say.
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Sounds like touring cars to me and we've already got that!
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The random injection of a few militant cyclists and 3 Routemaster busses in tight corners would also add to the excitement.
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Back to the days of unlimited technology for me, it would filter through to production cars quicker. If they want to reduce the speed of the cars, just make the engines smaller, but don't stifle research and development. It would be easier to police the regulations as well.

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Two things on that Chris, serious for a change, F1 technology has never filtered down to road cars in any meaningful way - the things that make them better race cars are just not appropriate to the road. I'm struggling to think of anything that originated from F1 and made its way (other than a gimic like SMG) to road cars.

Secondly, I'm not interested in "which car is fastest" - its always arbitrary because a car that didn't meet the regs would always be faster (22 litre nitrous F1 cars anyone?). What I want to see is which driver is better (or which team team/driver combination is working best).

So, the regulations need to encourage driver not software engineer participation and also need to encourage technology that is actually of use. Not quite sure how you achieve those though.
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Wow! Only two of the most important features (that spring to mind at the moment) that modern cars use that have come from F1 development are electronic engine management and traction control. ABS came from aircraft but there are probably quite a few more that owe their development to motorsport.

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Electronic engine management debuted in road cars before F1 cars AFAIK. Reading up a bit the first inkling of fuel injection was in the 1890s, commercially used in diesels since the 20s, seems the first electronically controlled FI hit the markets in 1957. F1 ... I dont think so.

As far as traction control goes, MB introduced it in 1971 a long time before it appeared in F1 - 1980s I think it was.
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Either way, it should stay the ''Pinnicle'' and should push boundaries with technology. Thats why its F1...

No fookin pit stops too.. Fuelled start to finish. Ok maybe for tyre changes like it used to.


different compounds to be used whenener it suited each driver when ever they wanted.
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Either way, it should stay the ''Pinnicle'' and should push boundaries with technology. Thats why its F1...

No fookin pit stops too.. Fuelled start to finish. Ok maybe for tyre changes like it used to.


different compounds to be used whenener it suited each driver when ever they wanted.
The fuel start to finish thing was done in the 80s and was a disaster - the drivers (all of them) used to have to drive slowly to make the fuel last - crap for racing. And like any restrictions such as this, the rich teams will be able to fund the best compromise.
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Electronic engine management debuted in road cars before F1 cars AFAIK. Reading up a bit the first inkling of fuel injection was in the 1890s, commercially used in diesels since the 20s, seems the first electronically controlled FI hit the markets in 1957. F1 ... I dont think so.

As far as traction control goes, MB introduced it in 1971 a long time before it appeared in F1 - 1980s I think it was.
Honda's PGMF1 engine management system was developed from their racing program (the name might give you a clue).

Diesels used mechanical fuel injection until quite recently (some engines still do) and this is not to be confused with electronic engine management.

MB were the first manufacturer to introduce traction control in their cars in the 1980s. The advanced traction control systems in use today were all developed on the track though.

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I think Sumo Suit wrestling would be the best way to spice up qualifying - leave driving for the race. That way the heavier lads would get a look in, as they'd have more weight behind them, rather than it being the usual disadvantage. And those with the slower cars would still have a chance.

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Honda's PGMF1 engine management system was developed from their racing program (the name might give you a clue).

Diesels used mechanical fuel injection until quite recently (some engines still do) and this is not to be confused with electronic engine management.

MB were the first manufacturer to introduce traction control in their cars in the 1980s. The advanced traction control systems in use today were all developed on the track though.

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Well, lets just say neither idea came from F1 and that both would exist with or without F1. Also, given they do very different things the traction control on an F1 car is hard to relate in technology terms to that on a road car except they use "sensors and computers". PGM F1 was a marketing concept.
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