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      04-28-2015, 07:44 PM   #1
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arma variable intake??

saw that on arma website while ago, and was sending arma email to ask about it.
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ARMA Variable Air Intakes has a variable valve inside the filter that can prevent power lose in low rpm, and at the same time increase the power in higher rpm. User can preset the desired rpm for the valve to open using the ARMA ECV controller. All readings are controlled via the OBD2 connectors. Settings will be in memory and once they are input by user, it will not be erased unless a new setting is being entered. Moreover, APP system is coming soon and it means that you could use your cell phone to control the valve.

very curious/doubt about this function, and always wonder if any 3rd party would test it.

until recently i saw a post here, and showed test result....

So, any one has any comment for this??

here is the post link:
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1120448
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      04-28-2015, 08:28 PM   #2
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If you spend $1500 for an intake you are absolutely on crack. you can buy filters for $100 and pre turbo intake tubes for $450 and get way more performance. Granted it looks nice but that is all. I bet you it cant handle maxed out stockers or any type of upgraded hybrids.
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let's just forget about the price and focus on intake variable design.

if you mod everything already, will this design give any benefit more than other intake brand?

i know many brands have valve in exhaust, but how about in the intake system?
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      04-29-2015, 12:56 AM   #5
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This kind of design might be useful for a NA car, where air velocity matters much more than air volume at low to mid rpm range. Porsche uses similar concept for the intake system on their 991 GTS.

But it is completely useless on a forced induction engine. You are better off spending the money on the TFT inlets instead.
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How would a valve in the intake increase max flow? Maybe coming from the GM world I've read too much ls1tech, but I'm not seeing how cutting off air flow increases low end torque. Explain how only an intake makes it happen.
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How would a valve in the intake increase max flow? Maybe coming from the GM world I've read too much ls1tech, but I'm not seeing how cutting off air flow increases low end torque. Explain how only an intake makes it happen.
I think it works the other way round, the valve stays closed in low RPM and opens up from mid to high. I guess the theory is for air velocity to build up in low rpms, then open it up once more speed is generated to increase flow off the velocity already generated.

However, how this is done with turbulence etc is another question..

Looks very gimmicky to me.
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I can bet my money that the intake actually does nothing to the performance, aside from offer a slightly larger and more efficient air filter than the stock paper panel. The only way to increase air flow velocity on the compressor blades at lower rpm is through the use of Variable Turbine Geometry. That and lowering air restriction of the intake and exhaust side of the turbo are the only effective solution to the problem.

http://turbo.honeywell.com/our-techn...turbochargers/
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If you spend $1500 for an intake you are absolutely on crack. you can buy filters for $100 and pre turbo intake tubes for $450 and get way more performance. Granted it looks nice but that is all. I bet you it cant handle maxed out stockers or any type of upgraded hybrids.


I respect higher pricing on some things, like parts that take a LOT of R&D, and cost higher amounts to actually manufacture. But I could never justify anything over a few hundred bucks for ANY intake. If it's a carbon fiber box, or something like that, it's completely for looks over performance IMO.
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I'm not getting involved in the debate but OP, I would spend my money on turbo inlets first like 3000GT mentioned.

The comparison graphs show gains but they are against a stock intake, which is very restrictive on it's own so it's hard to say with only that information that this is the "ultimate solution". (using the given data).

Using my own knowledge of engines and performance add ons, as others seem to suggest, turbo's typically want as much unrestricted air as possible.

I'm not about to call out a manufacturer or another vendor, but I'd like to see more data. It's a good looking intake otherwise.
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I am guessing I should sell wide diameter bananas to put in tail pipes since less flow = more power. What a joke lol!
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I am guessing I should sell wide diameter bananas to put in tail pipes since less flow = more power. What a joke lol!
I can be like CNN and FOX and make this read how i want it to.
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I can be like CNN and FOX and make this read how i want it to.
lol!
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I can be like CNN and FOX and make this read how i want it to.
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Didn't realize that they sell electric supercharger too!

http://www.armaspeed.com/eng/goods.php?act=cat&no=194

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I don't usually sh*t on any vendor or manufacturers. But did some digging and it looks like this company has been around for a while with their scams.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=658297

Looks like they waited for a few years for the bad rep to wash away, now they are back in the business again. Funny that some of the posts were deleted just now...
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