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      11-18-2016, 06:36 AM   #1695
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No problem. I currently own two 535D LCI one with SAT and the other with standard auto.

I can pull .TRC KOMBI files from both if you want? ☺️
_YES_ please
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      11-18-2016, 06:42 AM   #1696
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Okay, will do it tomorrow
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Christmas is coming...I want My Gift....
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      11-21-2016, 12:21 PM   #1698
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can't wait to try this app
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      11-21-2016, 03:13 PM   #1699
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Okay, will do it tomorrow
I know you have "midnats sol" in the very most northern part of sweden, but that doesn't make the days longer does it?
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      11-21-2016, 03:41 PM   #1700
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Just chiming in to observe: the stock transmission shift map seems to have been engineered by someone who's never actually driven a stick, but imagines how it should feel. It's just stupid about 1/3 the time.
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      11-22-2016, 12:21 PM   #1701
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I know you have "midnats sol" in the very most northern part of sweden, but that doesn't make the days longer does it?
Haha

Finally!!! Here you go Do not have time to make comparison myself at the moment. Please do and post them here

https://minfil.org/Gau3q6bfbd/TRC_E6...and_NO_SAT.zip
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      11-23-2016, 06:28 AM   #1702
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Since _TB_ seems to busy eating "Rød pølse" i made the comparison my self.

Here you can view it online: https://www.diffnow.com/?report=z5mx6
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Since _TB_ seems to busy eating "Rød pølse" i made the comparison my self.

Here you can view it online: https://www.diffnow.com/?report=z5mx6
Really I don't need it, but I found it very useful to study and learn.

Thanks.
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      11-23-2016, 12:11 PM   #1704
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Since _TB_ seems to busy eating "Rød pølse" i made the comparison my self.

Here you can view it online: https://www.diffnow.com/?report=z5mx6
Naah too many Tuborgs

Thanks - I'll take a look at them.

edit: This could be it:
DZM_daempfung (DZM=drehzahlMesser = rev counter)

..But it does not exist in the E90 kombi trace file :/

Does anybody have a readout of the eeprom on an E60 and an E90 kombi?

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      11-25-2016, 12:37 PM   #1705
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Attached is the *.trc file of my Kombi! (E92 LCI)
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Hi Guys,

today is the day, a lot of you have been waiting for! Well, maybe not THAT day, but it's the day, where we can lift the curtain and give you a lot of information, on the tool itself, the release date and present you with a small teaser I put together on YouTube, to show some of the features. Basically, not much has changed, since my last post to this topic. We're on a good way, to get things going exactly as promised ->Link

The tool will be released under the name xHP - Flashtool and as said will be available on Google Play Store/Android Platform! Planned release date is February 2017.

I know, that we've been quiet the last weeks, but this was due to an immense workload to make this happen in time. Most of the work, was further reverse - engineering of the calibration files. As it turned out, there is absolutely NO information present on the market covering the 2nd gen 6HP transmissions and (of course...) it's very different in many aspects from the 1st gen 6HPs. Even 2nd gen layout differ massively between OEMs. Audi handles everything different then BMW for example. That said, we had to go the hard way of reversing (most of) everything to make this happen. The outcome so far are well over 1000 tables, which define how this transmission handles everything. There are still a lot more to examine, but as I speak we were able to take 95% control of:
  • Shift Points
  • Torque Converter Lockup
  • Torque Management
  • Shift Pressures, Line pressures
  • Paddle Reaction Time
  • Warmup behaviour
  • ..
  • .

For the ones, who don't want to read any more and just watch the actual state of play, here's the link to Youtube: http://bit.ly/2gHK5Hk

The video represents a work-in-progress state of the tune on an N57 diesel. It's not final, nor can i be compared to what is possible on gasoline engines! (in terms of shift times for example)

This very car has it's paddle response time cut by 30% and the shift-time overall by 50%!

It's another league when driving this side-by-side! And of course, this is not stopped with my watch at the wrist, this times are extracted out of logfiles done with Testo! Big thx, to pheno and his work!

After completing most of the Tune and sorting out tables, the next 2 months will be mostly dedicated to developing the App itself. DWR was so kind to agree on producing a XDF file for TunerPro, as soon as we've double checked everything. The xdf will be released together with the App and is - of course - free of charge.

Additionally there will be OTS files to buy in-App for those, wo don't want to shuffle with bits & bytes by themselfs. The first group who will get this tunes, are N57/M57 diesels with a 2nd gen 6HP transmission. I will elaborate more on this in the next weeks, as BMW (or ZF/Bosch) was so great to not only change memory layouts between 1st and 2nd gen, but even in 2nd gen there are different versions with different memory layouts. My search shows, that differing cals where probably only used during transitions from 1st to 2nd gen (so should by very seldom in the field), but it's hard to judge this 100% for now. From what I can tell it's safe to say, that EVERY US-based 335d is covered for sure. I will be posting more on that topic in the next weeks!

After market introduction, the next step will be covering the N54/N55 platform. I cannot give a timeline for that, but it's first on my list and I definitely want this to happen asap! So expect it to happen shortly afterwards.

So, I'm sad that we can't make it in time for Santa, but just think about the saying "Anticipation, is the greatest joy!" ;-)

Plz feel free to post, ask or suggest things you want to see until release!

Best,
Richard

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wow. Can this work on European 335D?
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      11-25-2016, 03:17 PM   #1708
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Great work guys! I'm proud that I was able to help make this happen !!
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Incredible news guys. Great work!
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Hi Guys,

today is the day, a lot of you have been waiting for! Well, maybe not THAT day, but it's the day, where we can lift the curtain and give you a lot of information, on the tool itself, the release date and present you with a small teaser I put together on YouTube, to show some of the features. Basically, not much has changed, since my last post to this topic. We're on a good way, to get things going exactly as promised ->Link

The tool will be released under the name xHP - Flashtool and as said will be available on Google Play Store/Android Platform! Planned release date is February 2017.
I know, that we've been quiet the last weeks, but this was due to an immense workload to make this happen in time. Most of the work, was further reverse - engineering of the calibration files. As it turned out, there is absolutely NO information present on the market covering the 2nd gen 6HP transmissions and (of course...) it's very different in many aspects from the 1st gen 6HPs. Even 2nd gen layout differ massively between OEMs. Audi handles everything different then BMW for example. That said, we had to go the hard way of reversing (most of) everything to make this happen. The outcome so far are well over 1000 tables, which define how this transmission handles everything. There are still a lot more to examine, but as I speak we were able to take 95% control of:
  • Shift Points
  • Torque Converter Lockup
  • Torque Management
  • Shift Pressures, Line pressures
  • Paddle Reaction Time
  • Warmup behaviour
  • ..
  • .

For the ones, who don't want to read any more and just watch the actual state of play, here's the link to Youtube: http://bit.ly/2gHK5Hk

The video represents a work-in-progress state of the tune on an N57 diesel. It's not final, nor can i be compared to what is possible on gasoline engines! (in terms of shift times for example)

This very car has it's paddle response time cut by 30% and the shift-time overall by 50%!

It's another league when driving this side-by-side! And of course, this is not stopped with my watch at the wrist, this times are extracted out of logfiles done with Testo! Big thx, to pheno and his work!

After completing most of the Tune and sorting out tables, the next 2 months will be mostly dedicated to developing the App itself. DWR was so kind to agree on producing a XDF file for TunerPro, as soon as we've double checked everything. The xdf will be released together with the App and is - of course - free of charge.

Additionally there will be OTS files to buy in-App for those, wo don't want to shuffle with bits & bytes by themselfs. The first group who will get this tunes, are N57/M57 diesels with a 2nd gen 6HP transmission. I will elaborate more on this in the next weeks, as BMW (or ZF/Bosch) was so great to not only change memory layouts between 1st and 2nd gen, but even in 2nd gen there are different versions with different memory layouts. My search shows, that differing cals where probably only used during transitions from 1st to 2nd gen (so should by very seldom in the field), but it's hard to judge this 100% for now. From what I can tell it's safe to say, that EVERY US-based 335d is covered for sure. I will be posting more on that topic in the next weeks!

After market introduction, the next step will be covering the N54/N55 platform. I cannot give a timeline for that, but it's first on my list and I definitely want this to happen asap! So expect it to happen shortly afterwards.

So, I'm sad that we can't make it in time for Santa, but just think about the saying "Anticipation, is the greatest joy!" ;-)

Plz feel free to post, ask or suggest things you want to see until release!

Best,
Richard
You guys, made me really happy.
Thanks.Now I HAVE to check my generation EU steptronic

what kind of connection planned for the app?

Cable or wireless?
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      11-25-2016, 04:44 PM   #1711
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Cable! So INPA cable + USB OTG adapter will do the job!

Stay calm, even If you're not covered on the first release, probably later.
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wow. Can this work on European 335D?
Of course! It will cover most of the N57 diesels out there and most of the 335d M57 from the start. More versions will be covered then soon after start.
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Awesome fellas!! I have always hated how this transmission shifts. Can't wait!
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Congrats! This is uber exciting!!!
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Congratulations! Glad to hear it is coming together. Awesome job to everyone involved. I cannot wait to fix the shift points on these beasts.
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I sooo want it
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