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      02-12-2008, 06:05 AM   #1
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Exclamation DMS 335d RE-map Review..

Right after months of deliberation i finally decided it was the right time to re-map the DXB.

She had proved her worth not only on the road (where it counts) but also on the drag strip and Rolling Road as a very competent Standard 335D.
Im sure you will all agree.

Its not something i wanted to do alone, i had heard good things from a few of you about E-maps, so a date was booked, Evil denzel and HC were also booked in the same day and joined myself and E-maps around my Miswah house ready for the magic to begin.

When plugged into the diagnostic port my engine came up with a fault code, so therefore could not be mapped. Tony and Ian's were fine and there Re-map went ahead as planned.

I now had to find the issue with my car, as untill resolved the DXB could undergo any Performance enhancing ECU upgrade.

She was booked into BMW, who spent an hour plugging her in and sourcing the issue. The resultant fault code cleared and ready now for re-mapping.

There are several companies to choose from when considering a Re-map for the wonderful 335d.

DMS
CAA
E-MAPS
CHIPPED UK
and several plug and play type devices also which offer similar gains as a re-map but with reliabilty being more of a risk!

Still not wanting to do this alone, i put feelers out that i was ready for a re-map. I was approached by another forum member and we agreed we would get it done together

We thought about what company would suit our needs best..

Things that must be considered when choosing an appropriate company to tune for 40+k Twin Turbo 3.0 derv.

BHP + Torque levels
Reliabilty
Proffessionalism
After-care
After-sales
Possible MPG Advantages/Disadvantages
WARRANTY.

After considering all these issues we decided the company to choose would be DMS Automotive.DMS Automotive had been suplying the ''Car Tuning World'' with Awesome ECU upgrades for years now and are used by some Highly wealthy custmomers with cars like the Ferrari F430, Bentley Continental and Mercedes AMG undergoing extensive work with them.

Not only for ECU upgrades but also for High power engine conversions.

Now this proves there a company to be trusted for sure with a 40+k BMW when thats pocket change compared to the values of some cars they are working on day in/day out.

The company was established by Rob Young. He is a qualified microelectronics engineer and really enjoys working on our cars.

He is a very clever chap and can seriously drive (more of that later)

Mike Cooper is another Top man there, and is the man i had first contact with at DMS, via email, which was backed up by a phonecall 20 mns later form the top man himself.

I was booked in along with RichardM two days later.

No hanging about with these boys.

Richard and Myself decided to travel down to Southampton where DMS are based to see their impressive New Half a million Pound premises and state of the art rolling road equipment.







DMS do have qualifed Engineers located all over the Country who will travel to Your home to upgrade your ECU.

I was very suprised how little time the whole process took. I had heard stories of 335D Mapping take several hours per car including refridgeration of the ECU, but at DMS there was not a fridge in site, well only one for the milk but the ECU did not need cooling of any sort during any time of the uploading.

In all from start to finish (Removal of ECU through to burning onto the ECU and re-fitting of the Now upgraded ECU) took approx 45 mins per car.

The most impressive part for me was that DMS take all the originak ECU info and setting and store it for every car they have ever done, should there ever be an issue you can have YOUR own stock setting placed back on YOUR own car

How cool is that. So if your car ever required a new key, DMS could code it in... If there was an ECU issue (for instance you parked in a swimming pool) and the ECU was damaged beyond repair, a new ECU could be sourced and All original Programming can be placed on this ECU.

I took the DXB for a quick blast down the road post Re-map whilst Richards was being worked on..

Immediatley i noticed the Crisp response from the right hand pedal. The car seemed even at low revs to have MUCH more life breathed into her.

It was when i mashed the throttle and the car selected 2nd that i hit warp factor nine, the feel of well over 520 ib ft torque thrusting your butt cheeks forwards is un-real.

Then into 3rd gear its even more BRUTAL the acceleration..

4th gear now sweeps past the 100mph mark as if it isnt even there


I thought the standard car was quick enough, this now puts it into perspective what a


''ULTIMATE WEAPON THE DMS 335D IS''


With the DMS Re-map you lose the Top speed limiter, for those who are interested DMS' re-mapped 535d with EXACTLY the same map as they placed in my car and offer to YOU, did a GPS verified

175mph at Nardo in Italy at a Top Speed event. Now if a big Saloon can do that, what can the Sleek and Sexy Re-mapped 335D do?!

Id like to find out, but obviously in the confines of a race track or runway with proper Timing gear and appropriate safety gear and medical staf present.


Anyone who has not heard of DMS should open up any BMW or Porsche mag, you will soon see the amount of praise this company gets from Big name Mags like

BMWcar
GTPorsche
EVO magazine (NFS favourite i believe)
Autocar
GT magazine.

All have great write up's on DMS fantastic services.

BHP is esimated at 340+ altho every car will differ im sure.
Torque levels well over 520IB ft torque.
Reliability so far so good, altho you can never be 100% with a tuned car. But DMS are confident in there product, thats why they offer a WARRANTY should anything go wrong with your re-mapped car and BMW decide not to uphold their warrany DMS have the experiance to fix your car under their own warranty, thus providing peace of mind when making that hard decision to tune your pride and joy.







The DXB undergoing her conversion Richard's 335d waiting in the wings...






The DXB looking pretty outside DMS, very impressive facilities.







DMS' demo M5


Rob took us out in this, WHAT A BRUTAL ANIMAL.

Never have i been in a car so fast.

It would make mince meat of the R8 i drove last month for sure.

Its an Intimidating machine, not a comfy big cruise but a BIG VIOLENT BRUISER.

A car not for the faint hearted, a serious machine for a serious petrol head like Rob.


No wonder these things make mince meat of Lambo Gallardos and Ferrari F430's


TO sum up, Rob Young and Mike Cooper of DMS are very proffessional guys who are on the TOP of their game.

Knowledgeable, clever and know how to make cars go fast.

I would not hesitate to recommend their services to anyone, as they did a fantastic job with mine and Rich's cars.

The pull on them now is immense, backed up by by Santa Pod time the other day.


Stock i did a 13.9@102mph (im guessing 0-100 in 13.5?)DMS Re-mapped 13.5@105mph (im guessing 0-100 in 12.5)
There is more in her too i know, i did a few 13.5 that day so it wasnt just a one off. With better tyres and maybe better conditions the DMS re-map on a 335d will see low 13 sec passes for sure.

On the road its almost untouchable... Pulling 8 car lengths on a friends M3 who on the drag strip did an indentical time.

So she faired very well on the strip but in gear once rolling is an absolute BEAST.

the 0-60 does feel much quicker, as does the 0-100. Once above that speed the car feels as if......


''The faster it goes, the Faster it goes''


Its relentlessy pulling every gear as if its on a mission a mission to not stop for anybody.


So im very happy with this Re-map.

Anyone considering a Re-map on the 335d, go for it. Go to DMS and prepare to be amazed



its worth noting i did some timing for myself with a stopwatch, (ok not that accurate but gives you an idea)

several runs 0-100 and results were as follows 12.2, 12.5, 11.7, 12.2 etc.

I want to thank Rob and Mike at DMS for a nice day and a great ECU upgrade

THANKS GUYS

I owe you both a


Carlos
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      02-12-2008, 06:17 AM   #2
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Well done Carlos.

I think I would also have chosen DMS for a remap . I was certainly very tempted to let them loose on my 530d.

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excellent review carlos!

Did you have to pay more for insurance?

I am seriously considering moving to the 335d not and not getting the e92m3 (I love my 335i soooooooo much tho but its Band G ) due to the fact the congestion charge (sorry TAX i mean) is due to go to 25 notes a day (annoncement expected today) and its in band e

I must have a go in a remapped 335d
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      02-12-2008, 06:22 AM   #4
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Wow, there is a lesson in objectivity ....

How did you quantatively compare "BHP + Torque levels, Reliabilty, Proffessionalism [sic], After-care, After-sales, Possible MPG Advantages/Disadvantages" between tuners ?

By glossy adverts and expensive cars alone, surely not ?

Your thoughts on the comparative pluses and minuses of the maps offered by the tuners you mention would be the really interesting part ? But you don't mention that.

But, thanks for taking the time and posting your experiences.

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Good write-up Carl, glad you are pleased with the results
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Wow, there is a lesson in objectivity ....

How did you quantatively compare "BHP + Torque levels, Reliabilty, Proffessionalism [sic], After-care, After-sales, Possible MPG Advantages/Disadvantages" between tuners ?

By glossy adverts and expensive cars alone, surely not ?

Your thoughts on the comparative pluses and minuses of the maps offered by the tuners you mention would be the really interesting part ? But you don't mention that.

But, thanks for taking the time and posting your experiences.

D.
To be fair to Carlos (for once) I think he chose quite wisely.

I would also have run with DMS for the following reasons:

1. They are one of the first companies in the remap business and one of the most succesful.

2. They are accessible, have proper premises and have a reputation for putting things right when they go wrong.

3. Their products have been extensively and positively reviewed by the motoring press.

4. Having scoured the interent most remappers have had some negative publicity from customers, but DMS seem to have retained a reputation for doing things right.

Everyone's free to make there own choices on this and I think Carlos was sensible in that he chose based on his level of confidence that his beloved car would not be damaged rather than vague claims about differentials in performance increases.
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To be fair to Carlos (for once) I think he chose quite wisely.

I would also have run with DMS for the following reasons:

1. They are one of the first companies in the remap business and one of the most succesful.

2. They are accessible, have proper premises and have a reputation for putting things right when they go wrong.

3. Their products have been extensively and positively reviewed by the motoring press.

4. Having scoured the interent most remappers have had some negative publicity from customers, but DMS seem to have retained a reputation for doing things right.

Everyone's free to make there own choices on this and I think Carlos was sensible in that he chose based on his level of confidence that his beloved car would not be damaged rather than vague claims about differentials in performance increases.
Exactly what I was getting at. You state and put your reasons across succinctly as to what you deem important, but I am not criticising DMS as a choice by Carl.

For me, Carl's write-up was missing exactly this reasoning for his choice. He has swiftly and repeatedly given out his opinions on tuning since day 1, but deliberated over this for so long that why he finally chose DMS was of interest. He doesn't discuss that - just lists some points. How were these points addressed to make him choose DMS - above and beyond what many here, who had their cars remapped, explained to him ?

Also no mention of cost.

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Great write up Carlos ! Dont let the extra power distract you from your driving though, you might need to take a pilots exam if your not carefull
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Because they are a reputable company, whose product is backed up by a full warranty. The fact that a guy i spoke to who competes regulary inhis 335d is also running the DMS map sealed the deal for me. He has run many maps and found the DMS map to be the strongest.
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Hi Carlos, Cheers for the review and for taking the time and effort to compile it.

Welcome to the '335d on steroids' club!

You should defo be able to get under the 12 secs to 100 mph. I have managed this using the bel fx-2 accelerometer timing device.
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Carl,

thanks for your thoughts

However, how do you know its 340+bhp and well over 520lbft? you had great difficulty believing this when the dyno day was ran?

CAA and Emaps also take a copy of each cars ECU just the same as DMS and for the same reasons you mentioned.

I would bet CAA emaps and dms run the same map!

IMO the main reason carl went for DMS was the warranty, simple as that


Im glad you eventually done the deed as the added performance is defo worth the money.


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Carl,

thanks for your thoughts

However, how do you know its 340+bhp and well over 520lbft? you had great difficulty believing this when the dyno day was ran?

CAA and Emaps also take a copy of each cars ECU just the same as DMS and for the same reasons you mentioned.

I would bet CAA emaps and dms run the same map!

IMO the main reason carl went for DMS was the warranty, simple as that


Im glad you eventually done the deed as the added performance is defo worth the money.


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DMS write there own maps. CAA use E-maps who apparently sourced theres from BMW or something.

Yes a few E-Maps cars didnt make the numbers at the r/r. That is correct. At some point i will get rolling roaded altho my SP time speaks for itself.
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DMS write there own maps. CAA use E-maps who apparently sourced theres from BMW or something.

Yes a few E-Maps cars didnt make the numbers at the r/r. That is correct. At some point i will get rolling roaded altho my SP time speaks for itself.

carl allegedly the remapp for the RS6 that dms was using was a copy of the MTM remapp, dont be so sure they (all remappers) copy other peoples.

A friend of mine has had many many cars remmapped by dms so it came from the horses mouth allegedly.
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great write up, makes you want to go out and buy a 335d and dms it!
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Sounds very impressive.

Just wish DMS would hurry up and sort out the 335i remap!!!!!!!
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Well done mate - welcome to the club.

It adds a bit more spice to the daily commute.

Now go off and find yourself a 911s at some lights and have a bit of fun!!! Make sure they get a good look at the D on your bootlid as you wipe them out
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Nice review Carlos about time
are you sure you've got a job ????


and REFRIGERATION HAS NO "D" IN IT -thankyou

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GREAT WRITE UP. FINALLY YOU PULLED THAT STICK OUT OF YOUR A**
great write up think the next car i will get will have to have the DMS treatment.
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Carlos,

Now you have to make some videos to compare....

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Nice work Carl.

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You finally gone and done it then Carlos. That's one hell of a write up, must have taken forever!

Glad you're pleased with the results.
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