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      02-22-2008, 03:46 PM   #67
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Darkcloud, your fiance should also try taking some BCAA and Glutamine. These should help minimize the "soreness" and increase recovery. Although the BCAA amounts in the myoplex should be enough for her. And for toning she should stick to using lighter weights with more reps.

As you already know, she's going to be sore in the beginning anyway. Tell her to quit being a wimp and just work through it. The more regular the routine becomes the less pain she will feel.
DOMS is a good thing.
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Make sure you go heavy for slow twitch muscle and light i.e. push-ups for fast twitch.
Absolutely. Thats how I did it when I was stationed in Hawaii. Go heavy at the gym and push ups, sit ups, etc for PT. Running only twice a week and doing roadmarches with weighted backpacks was awesome too. Doing too much cardio kills muscle. Eating and sleeping are the most important things.
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Seriously! I tried eating McDonalds and other fast foods 3x a day for like 3 weeks.

No joke, my heart started hurting like crazy. Shooting pains and shit.

Not cool.
That is what exactly happening to me .
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^^ I seriously hope he's not serious
no im seriously, but im going to read ur long post and maybe learn something.

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I'm not sure which is going to explode first...your heart or your ass

I once ate McDonalds twice in one day and I have never felt so sick.That food will kill you, literally. Come to think of it, a few years back I bet a buddy $200 he couldn't eat 60 McNuggets in 60 minutes. He got to 57 before he started to turn bright red He gave up at that point, and I'm fairly certain he would have gone into cardiac arrest had he made it to 60.
He ran right to the office bathroom and was in there almost all day Rather than add insult to injury I let him keep his cash.
Im going to stop eating fast food for real.....not even going to cut down on it, because i know its going to effect me when i get older. Thanks guys for making me realize that .
BTW just know before i see that reply i ate 2 bigmacs and i feel sick not even joking, my stomach is making all these noise and i want to .
OP, sorry for hijacking ur thread, but because of ur thread im going to start eating healthy
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About twice a month I crave a Wendy's double cheeseburger with fries. Once a month or so I hit KFC for eight piece original recipe.
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About twice a month I crave a Wendy's double cheeseburger with fries. Once a month or so I hit KFC for eight piece original recipe.
Its so addictive
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no im seriously, but im going to read ur long post and maybe learn something.
hey man I'm just offering my opinion and trying to help



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Im going to stop eating fast food for real.....not even going to cut down on it, because i know its going to effect me when i get older. Thanks guys for making me realize that .
BTW just know before i see that reply i ate 2 bigmacs and i feel sick not even joking, my stomach is making all these noise and i want to .
OP, sorry for hijacking ur thread, but because of ur thread im going to start eating healthy
I really hope you make that change, your health depends on it and you'll feel much better!
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fast food isn't really cheap either. small ass portions that aren't even filling lols!
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Its so addictive
No kidding. I'll never be able to completely stop eating it for the rest of my life. It just won't happen. It's too damn good and way to easy to get.

Oh well as long as its in moderation, right, right?
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Creatine works fine in any form. The idea behind cycling it is not to reduce any kind of harmful side effects, because none exist. The idea is to attempt to boost the rate at which your body absorbs creatine, to prevent diminishing returns.

The big thing to remember about Myoplex is that it's very caloric, and high in carbs. I would only use it pre workout, or possibly post workout. So, use in moderation there. Pure protein (of any type) is better to use throughout the day, so you can decide whether or not you want carbs, and how much you want. IMO, better to use whole foods than shakes anyways. I would only use them pre- and post- workout, where it's important that you get a shot of protein quickly.
ok cool. Did you see my plan?? What do you think....

Myoplex then, workout then, whey and creatine. I'll drop the creatine once the bottle of pills are gone. I want my abs to show once the honeymoon rolls around, gotta pick up chicks on the beach. Drink proper amount of water/propel and eat several small meals. I in no way plan on drinking myoplex or any supplement shake 2-3 times a day. I'll never workout enough to burn that off

Overall I'm going for a fat lose/muscle gain. Pretty much keep my weight around 220lb but switch it from a semi-muscle fatty 220 to a semi-fatty muscle 220. I want to be slightly/defined cut but not overly bulky, ya know?
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DOMS is a good thing.
Hell yea it is. But I'm weird cause I like pain, so I like to hurt.

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ok cool. Did you see my plan?? What do you think....

Myoplex then, workout then, whey and creatine. I'll drop the creatine once the bottle of pills are gone. I want my abs to show once the honeymoon rolls around, gotta pick up chicks on the beach. Drink proper amount of water/propel and eat several small meals. I in no way plan on drinking myoplex or any supplement shake 2-3 times a day. I'll never workout enough to burn that off

Overall I'm going for a fat lose/muscle gain. Pretty much keep my weight around 220lb but switch it from a semi-muscle fatty 220 to a semi-fatty muscle 220. I want to be slightly/defined cut but not overly bulky, ya know?
Best of luck man. I can tell your heart and attitude is defintely there so getting into the routine shouldn't be a problem for you. And a little determination is all it takes.
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don't forget to include lots of SEXERCISE.......
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I used to dring a lot of protein but then stopped doind that to often. I dont really work out now, but i try to eat often having small portions. I used to do my own shakes right after the work out-
2-3 Eggs
Milk
Banana or an orange
Cheese Cream
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stupid question... ive been having a whey shake with skim plus for breakfast but i was reading the label and it had a disclaimer saying "do not use for weight reduction" but if its a meal replacement and im getting what i need out of it, why would it deter my weight loss goals??
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stupid question... ive been having a whey shake with skim plus for breakfast but i was reading the label and it had a disclaimer saying "do not use for weight reduction" but if its a meal replacement and im getting what i need out of it, why would it deter my weight loss goals??
I would guess it has more calories than low calorie drinks. Also, if used properly, the high protein combined with exercise contributes to greater muscle mass and therefore weight gain.
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just try steroids??? haha....
Most AAS will cause increase in fat mass when not used under the supervision of a doctor or someone knowledgable in the working of the endocrine system.
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stupid question... ive been having a whey shake with skim plus for breakfast but i was reading the label and it had a disclaimer saying "do not use for weight reduction" but if its a meal replacement and im getting what i need out of it, why would it deter my weight loss goals??
Is it pure whey? Or does it have carbs, fats, etc?

IMO, it's best to think of whey protein as a supplement, rather than a meal replacement. It's a very fast disolving/absorbing protein, so it tends not to provide for a high level of anabolic (muscle building) activity over the course of a day. Infact, much of the protein in it will not be used by the body if the shake insn't consumed around the time of a workout.

Finally, since most protein shakes are marketed as a "supplement" to avoid certain FDA regulations, they are probably required to have that disclaimer there.
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yeah its pure whey... isolate... a friend of mine saw another tub i had that was mainly casein and he told me not to use it but in this case, for a meal replacement, i think casein makes alot more sense, no?
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stupid question... ive been having a whey shake with skim plus for breakfast but i was reading the label and it had a disclaimer saying "do not use for weight reduction" but if its a meal replacement and im getting what i need out of it, why would it deter my weight loss goals??
Pure Whey protein or Casein as a meal replacement isn't very good for weight management because it's just pure protein. It'll deter your weight loss goals because without any kind of carbohydrate your body will retain fats and water in response to lack of metabolic activity. Carbs aren't bad for you at all, just like with everything in life it's bad in excess. The weight management concept is all about keeping steady blood sugar levels for a more consistant insulin response, as a result your metabolism will improve significantly [Higher the metabolism the more likely the body will be to brun off fat]. It's best to include moderate amounts of carbs in every meal, especially in the morning. There are options to meal replacement that include complex carbs, which help regulate insulin reponse.

Not a stupid question ! It's difficult to get a straight answer with all the products people try to sell you.
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All you guys are offering useful info but what works for one may not work for others. It really is trial and error.

Start with the fundamentals; proteins, carbs, fats, vitamins, minerals and water. The key is knowing how much of these nutrients you need to eat and when to eat them to feed your muscles and starve the fat.

Protein is key and very important when you're trying to build a leaner, stronger, healthier body. You should eat foods like chicken, fish, beef, egg whites and some dairy, like cottage cheese. I hate the stuff. These complete proteins contain amino acids which helps to build muscle, your body can't make them on its own.

Carbs are a key source of energy. Found in fruits, veggies, grains, pasta, bread, etc. Slow carbs provides you with a contant release of energy. My favs are brown rice, veggies, oatmeal and whole grain pasta. They trigger the release of insulin which helps your amino acids enter muscle cells. So protein and carbs work together in building a better body.

You actually do need some fat but in the form of essential fatty acids. Like omega 3/ 6. These fats help you burn stored bodyfat. And can be found in fish and fish oil pills. Saturated fats are the bad ones, like cheeseburgers, fries, donuts, candy, etc. Can cause you to gain bodyfat and can cause heart disease, diabetes, etc.

Vitamins are very important, I take a multi every day. I could never eat enough to get the recommended amount of vits/ minerals needed each day.

Drink lots of water!!! You just can't build and maintain a healthy body without water. And stay away from soft drinks!

Supplements, I usually just follow my instincts/ intuition. That way I figure out what works for me. As I stated above what works for me may not benefit you at all.

Don't buy junk food. If you crave these things it's only because that's been your habit. Break the habit!! If you must have the stuff, limit it to one cheat day a week. And stay clear of greasy fried foods.

Follow an exercise program that helps you build muscle. One that includes the entire body (which means work those legs too guys ) and add in some cardio. Make working out your new habit, that way you will feel natural doing it than not doing it. And it's important to keep your routine fresh, shock the body dude!!



As for protein drinks I like ON Whey (choc and vanilla) But with vanilla I can add different fruits/ peanut butter for variety. Good stuff

Here's a sample of what I might during my day.

BREAKFAST : 4/5 egg omelet (all white and 1 yolk) w/ turkey & cheese or oatmeal w/ blueberries
multivitamin, fish oil pills, flax seed pill
16 oz water or low sodium V8

BRUNCH : cheesy chicken pita pocket (yogurt and spicy brown mustard mixed as spread w/ lettuce, tomato and cheese) and XS energy drink

SNACK : shake and protein bar or apple/ banana

LUNCH : grilled chicken breast, veggies, baked potato, water

SNACK : shake and banana or some blueberries

DINNER : lean beef or turkey burger w/ tomato on wheat or whole wheat pasta w/ ground turkey
brown rice w/ brocolli, water

It all depends on what you're trying to acheive at the time; cutting or bulking.

I try to keep chicken breasts and boiled eggs handy. I like to cut those up in a salad or make a quick sandwich. Cook 'em in bulk and they're always ready to go!

I hope this was helpful. Good Luck!!
thanks man. Thats very helpful stuff , im going to start doing this, and i'll see how it goes. I'll take the one cheat day a week haha.
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