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      02-23-2008, 10:06 PM   #45
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Regardless, Car and Driver weighed their 135 again the 335 on the SAME scale with the same trim (full tank, etc). The 335 weighed significantly less than 200 lbs more.
Nowhere does it say it's the same scale. All one can infer from the article is they are both publish by C&D.
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The 3 has the American proven market. The 3 is less than 200 pounds heavier. The 3 is less than $4000 more expensive when similarly equiped. From Fastestlaps.com, there is NO evidence to support the notion that the 135i is faster around a track than the 335i.

I just dont see the point in having a smaller car just because its smaller, nor do I want to drive car that's physically small, yet not light by comparison with similarly sized cars. My 3er is small enough in a world of SUVs and semis. If i'm going to buy something smaller, it better have something else it brings to the table. And the 135i doesn't.

200 pounds is significant, but it's not mind altering. Do you drive your 335is with 1 passenger and say "damn my car is a pig"? No.
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To bring the thread back on subject, we have to look at pricing. If you find performance high on the priority list then 135i is better valued. Coupe to coupe, 135i is nearly 6,000 dollar cheaper than 335i coupe. It is only fair to compare cars of same category than a coupe to sedan. And to do an objective trade study, MSRP should be used otherwise your mileage may vary. BMW built the 1 series with the intention that it does not dilute the brand, therefore I do not agree there is a sacrifice of luxury for performance, as 1 shares a good amount of components from 3 series.
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      02-23-2008, 10:57 PM   #49
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335i FTW. 135i i think will be targeted torwards the ricer type. i think the 135i is a euro version of the s2k but with second row seats. lol
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i think the 135i is a euro version of the s2k but with second row seats.
Light 4-banger N/A and a twin turbo inline 6 luxury coupe. Goddamn clones, you're absolutely right.
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Being that interior space is not a concern for me I tried to like the 135 so I can save some money over the 335. Couldn't do it. That thing is mad ugly.

I know this is subjective but I don't know what some people are looking at...
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I thought the 1-series had the E46 suspension, thus inferior

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The 135i is not a sub-bmw. It's a performance version of the 335i. The One'r is more frugal and trades luxuries for performance. People were complaining when the E46 coupe was released, look how long it grew and how much weight it put on.

Why is it, that everyone been saying the 3 series is getting too big, too long and too heavy for so many years, yet when BMW brings back the older style E30/E36/E46 size and weight. Everyone gets mad and calls it a "marketing ploy"?

The 135i does weight 300lbs lighter(new info) than the 335i, shorter, more aggressive suspension tune, ediff, Brembo brakes, BMW Performance catalog support and not to mention a more intimate interior!

Read my last post. Some need to learn to respect this car, I have!
The E90/E92 suspension is much improved over the E46.
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Size-wise I like the car. Reminds me more of my favorite E30 3-series cars that I've owned. I like that alot. However that size car no longer meets my needs. The E90 class meets my needs. If i were single - sure a 1-series would fit the bill. But, like others have said, the price difference is not enough to warrant downsizing. I appreciate what BMW is trying to do but I think that they would have been better off to go more bare-bones and kept the car very simple. The pricing and equipment level makes the jump to a 3-series seem like a no brainer to me. Plus, at least from photos, it's a much better looking car. It will be interesting to see how the sale play out.
Sales will be through the roof, they aren't even offering any ED allocations because they will sell them as fast as they elect to make them. Resale will likely hold better on the 1 series because there will be a lot less discount off the MSRP. I love my e90 because it gives me sports car performance in a family sedan but if I don't need the back seat it's a no brainer to me, 1 series >> e92.
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335i FTW. 135i i think will be targeted torwards the ricer type. i think the 135i is a euro version of the s2k but with second row seats. lol
So you think the 135i will handle rings around anything BMW has produced in the last 10, be bulletproof reliable, have a cheap aftermarket, AND have a back seat? Sounds like a deal to me!

As for E46 thing, that's a common misconception. The suspension shares more parts with the E90, but it was built from scratch, along with the chassis.
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It seems to me that the 1 series is designed with more of a focus on the guy/gal who wants to do more tack days and autocrossing. A lot of the marketing focuses on getting back to the intentions of the old model 2002 (quite ugly car in my opinion but handled well in its day). I think BMW would have done better by making the car a bit lighter and less expensive with fewer standard luxuries.
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So you think the 135i will handle rings around anything BMW has produced in the last 10, be bulletproof reliable, have a cheap aftermarket, AND have a back seat? Sounds like a deal to me!

As for E46 thing, that's a common misconception. The suspension shares more parts with the E90, but it was built from scratch, along with the chassis.
lol not too sure about cheap aftermarket.. i mean its still a bmw. and a euro car.
and what i remeber from my friends s2k.. the aftermarket wasnt that cheap either. lol 1.2k for that mugen intake? so over priced... but so nice..
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lol not too sure about cheap aftermarket.. i mean its still a bmw. and a euro car.
and what i remeber from my friends s2k.. the aftermarket wasnt that cheap either. lol 1.2k for that mugen intake? so over priced... but so nice..
The JDM part of the S2K aftermarket is crazy. 1.2k for the 3hp you get form an intake on the car is silly.

I was mostly being sarcastic, heh. The guy said it like comparing the car to an S2000 was a bad thing. Handles better than my 986 did, that's for sure. I would LOVE if the 135i was as much of a driver's car as my S2K, but that's not why I'm buying it!
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The JDM part of the S2K aftermarket is crazy. 1.2k for the 3hp you get form an intake on the car is silly.

I was mostly being sarcastic, heh. The guy said it like comparing the car to an S2000 was a bad thing. Handles better than my 986 did, that's for sure. I would LOVE if the 135i was as much of a driver's car as my S2K, but that's not why I'm buying it!

lol if u didnt realize i was the guy that said it, and i didnt mean it as a bad thing. i mean the s2k is a great car, was my first choice before my dad forced me into getting the e90. it handles GREAT around corners(took my friends to track). its a really fun car, and it really does go vroom vroom.
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lol if u didnt realize i was the guy that said it, and i didnt mean it as a bad thing. i mean the s2k is a great car, was my first choice before my dad forced me into getting the e90. it handles GREAT around corners(took my friends to track). its a really fun car, and it really does go vroom vroom.
Sorry! Didn't mean any offense. Like I said, just being sarcastic.

The S2K may not be fast, but it's a blast to drive, that was my point.
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The 3 has the American proven market. The 3 is less than 200 pounds heavier. The 3 is less than $4000 more expensive when similarly equiped. From Fastestlaps.com, there is NO evidence to support the notion that the 135i is faster around a track than the 335i.

I just don't see the point in having a smaller car just because its smaller, nor do I want to drive car that's physically small, yet not light by comparison with similarly sized cars. My 3er is small enough in a world of SUVs and semis. If i'm going to buy something smaller, it better have something else it brings to the table. And the 135i doesn't.

200 pounds is significant, but it's not mind altering. Do you drive your 335is with 1 passenger and say "damn my car is a pig"? No.


Please don't shoot the messenger, in BMW's own words they have clearly sent a message to the GT market. Either your wrong, or BMW is. I tend to lean towards them. As suspected, BMW fibbed a tad on it's weight. I suppose BMW did that, as to not step on anyones toes!

Again, please study what BMW has done here. Your not comparing the 335i to a Lexus, but another BMW. Why would BMW build a limited production, smaller car with Brembos, then make it handle "just as good as the 3 series" when BMW intentions have been performance based since it's inception....! We've just witness the 135i equal a Cayman in the slalom/track. I don't recall the heavier 335i handling that well.

The 135i is not a 335i! Thankfully, for many that is an extremely good thing!
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We've just witness the 135i equal a Cayman in the slalom/track. I don't recall the heavier 335i handling that well.

The 135i is not a 335i! Thankfully, for many that is an extremely good thing!
Well gee golly wiz "#", apparently the E92 335 and the E46 M3 are pretty damn near equals. What do you think about that?

The new bi-turbo 3 series coupe shows some impresive numbers on Nurburgring.

Laptime Nordschleife 8.26 min (4 seconds slower than M3)
Laptime Hockenheim 1.17,8 min (0,8 seconds faster than C55 and 1.5 seconds slower than M3)

0-100km/h 5.6 sec
0-200km/h 20,7 sec

36m slalom: 130km/h (M3 123km/h, C55 122km/h)
110m change lane: 136km/h (M6 137km/h, M3 136km/h, C55 134km/h)
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G-powers: 1.15g (C55, 1,10g and M3 1.10g)



E46 M3 vs Cayman: http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=45caf61a426ee

E46 M3 vs E92 335: http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=458da72e81532

E46 M3 vs E92 135: http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=473d6e85e5770

E92 335 vs E92 135: http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=473d6e85e5770



Skip to the last one if you'd like. The 135 is pathetic if it was geared towards racers. You can call the 335 a pig all day. The proof is in the pudding, or should I say the 135 ate too much pudding?

Sad, but the proof is in the numbers. You get the 135 to be a little different and to save a few bucks.

Speaking of pudding....I'm hungry....
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The 1er coupe is an E82 and the 1er convertible is an E88.
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The 1er coupe is an E82 and the 1er convertible is an E88.
Yeah, thats my bad. Typing too fast.
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The words value and BMW are contradictory right off the bat. But the Japanese are joining the non-value proposition. The Lexus IS250 was probably the first, but it opened the floodgates. Look at the price of the new WRX STi, for about $2k extra you're into a 335 coupe, not a 328. As far as the 135i goes, my goodness, they can't even give away 3's, how much more does a person want as an incentive to buy a car? Low interest rates and steep discounts off of an inflated list price is still better than the mentality of being the first on the block and paying a premium. imho there is no value in the 135i or the 335d.
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BTW, the 135i is 6 grand cheaper than the 335i coupe. Somehow when people compare the two this price keeps dropping. First its 5k cheaper, then all of a sudden only 4k cheaper.
That's because some are comparing the 135i with the 335i sedan and some are comparing it against the 335i coupe. Both are valid since you want to find out how far you are away from a similarly equipped 335i (sedan will save you money so that's why people use the sedan as a comparison. Whether it is a valid comparison or not is not for me to decide).
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All of the current 335i owners on the forum will tell you that the 135i is a POS.. All of the other owners (325, 328, 330) will tell you to go for the 135i... Nough said!!!
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