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      02-26-2008, 08:24 PM   #1
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test drive: Procede V2 vs. Dinan Flash

First let me start by prefacing that no, we did not do any heads up runs against each other. Call me crazy but it was the middle of the day with tons of people out. Plus street racing is irresponsible

So this afternoon I took my girlfriends ride out to meet another forum member and do a few comparison runs. My girl's car is a 6mt e90 with ProCede V2 @ 90% UT (max boost has been 13.6 @ 5500) but otherwise stock.
Wicked SVT has a 6mt e92 with Dinan flash and also otherwise stock.

We both had an opportunity to drive each others ride and make our evaluations.

I'll let him chime in with his eval. As for me:

I absolutely love the way the Dinan flash drives. The low end torque is reminiscent of my girl's old V1.47 days. Honestly, it feels just like V1.47. The "strange" pedal feel that many others have complained about is not very intrusive. It is noticeable but not cumbersome. If I had to measure, I would say it is a centimeters difference between ProCede and Dinan.
That said, it does remind me of V1.47 in that the top end (post 5500 rpms) it seems to taper off. It doesn't fall on it's face like it does stock but it is noticeable compared to V2. And after driving both, V2 feels smoother. Perhaps its the lack of the low end torque.
V2 pulls hard post 5500 rpms to redline.

All in all, I would be happy to own either of the enhancers. Each has its pros and cons.
But in my opinion, the low end torque makes the Dinan flash a better daily driver, with capabilities of some spirited driving now and then. Plus no codes.
With it's top end power and user adjustable settings, the ProCede V2 makes a better "tuner" car with full race capabilities. Not to say that you can't or shouldn't race a Dinan car, it's just that V2 is adjustable on race day.

Anyway, had we had a track available I'm sure we would have loved to bring some vids to thread. But it is what it is...
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So this afternoon I took my girlfriends ride out .
Didn't yall break up?

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Joking by the way bro....
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Thanks for the review! Nice write up.
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Didn't yall break up?

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Joking by the way bro....
thanks buddy !

yeah, meant ex girlfriend. Old habits die hard
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thanks buddy !

yeah, meant ex girlfriend. Old habits die hard
Its all good man, just giving you a hard time....

Lots of fish in the sea bro...
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Where are all these modded 335's hiding in SD? Nice review btw. The 52 is pretty empty for some day runs...
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Nice Review, and I'm glad you're enjoying it!
I don't either of the modifiers. Just trying to give an objective review from a stock 335 owner.

I would be pleased owning either of them.
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Where are all these modded 335's hiding in SD? Nice review btw. The 52 is pretty empty for some day runs...
really...?
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I had the oppertunity to test drive a Dinan 335 couple weeks ago from a dealership. I totally agree, it feels like the V1.47. I have V2 with 94% setting, it pulls from low rpm to redline which Dinan will taper off around 5500 rpm. Procede V2 power feels more raw vs Dinan feels more smooth. Maybe becasue I have my setting on 94% so it squeeze more more on all speed.
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jam0321 it was really nice meeting up with you today. Here is my take on the Dinan vs V2 comparison I think jam0321 pretty much hit it on the head with his comparison:

The first thing I noticed when driving the Procede V2 just after driving my Dinan car was the difference in low end torque. The Dinan seems to have alot more low end torque over the V2. Were the V2 comes alive (or I should say the difference is noticed) above 5500rpms. The V2 is really smooth and can be deceiving. It doesn't feel like you are moving that fast until you watch how fast the mph and the tach are going. The Dinan starts to taper off a little after 5500rpms but definitely pulls to redline much better over stock. The V2 feels like it doesn't taper off at all.

The throttle response is not all that different as I thought it was going to be. You don't have to push the pedal down far at all with the V2 to get it going. With the Dinan you may have to go a little bit further but it is not a major difference. When you first get the Dinan flash the throttle response is worse but improves over time.

After have now driven both I personally prefer the Dinan tune. I am not just saying this because I purchased it. I like the low end torque and occasionally get my car above 5500rpms. The low end torque is a blast for spirited driving on the streets. Don't get me wrong though, the V2 is a very good tune and I also wouldn't mind having it on my car but the Dinan is right for me.

It would definatley be interesting too see the V2 and Dinan go head to head, especially from a stop. But like jam0321 already mentioned it would not have been wise of us to be racing each other in the middle of the day or at all for that matter. (Major consequences in CA for street racing).

I am looking forward to when Dinan releases there Stage II tune.

Thanks again to jam0321, it was fun.
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Thanks for the reviews... its nice to have two first hand accounts from people who have driven both back to back.
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Thank you...nice reviews from both of you. FWIW, I am very happy that I upgraded my PROcede v1.47 to v2 several months ago. Yes, it's true that v2 real low-end TQ isn't quite that of v1.47 (or possibly Dinan for that matter), but v2 is absolutely smoother and like these two guys said, v2 just pulls hard all the way to redline. That was what we asked Shiv for and that's what Shiv delivered to us...a PROcede v2 tune that doesn't taper off as it just keeps pulling hard and sh!t to redline!

I'm glad both these guys here are enjoying their tuned 335i's.
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jam0321 it was really nice meeting up with you today. Here is my take on the Dinan vs V2 comparison I think jam0321 pretty much hit it on the head with his comparison:

The first thing I noticed when driving the Procede V2 just after driving my Dinan car was the difference in low end torque. The Dinan seems to have alot more low end torque over the V2. Were the V2 comes alive (or I should say the difference is noticed) above 5500rpms. The V2 is really smooth and can be deceiving. It doesn't feel like you are moving that fast until you watch how fast the mph and the tach are going. The Dinan starts to taper off a little after 5500rpms but definitely pulls to redline much better over stock. The V2 feels like it doesn't taper off at all.

The throttle response is not all that different as I thought it was going to be. You don't have to push the pedal down far at all with the V2 to get it going. With the Dinan you may have to go a little bit further but it is not a major difference. When you first get the Dinan flash the throttle response is worse but improves over time.

After have now driven both I personally prefer the Dinan tune. I am not just saying this because I purchased it. I like the low end torque and occasionally get my car above 5500rpms. The low end torque is a blast for spirited driving on the streets. Don't get me wrong though, the V2 is a very good tune and I also wouldn't mind having it on my car but the Dinan is right for me.

It would definatley be interesting too see the V2 and Dinan go head to head, especially from a stop. But like jam0321 already mentioned it would not have been wise of us to be racing each other in the middle of the day or at all for that matter. (Major consequences in CA for street racing).

I am looking forward to when Dinan releases there Stage II tune.

Thanks again to jam0321, it was fun.
In the first I agree the initial Dinan feeling was worse than stock. I was throwing a hissy fit over it and wondering WTF? 2K for this sh1t? Man the car didn't feel that good at all. Couple days ago, the car finally did come into its own and came totally alive. One thing is, the car wants to cruise at 80mph with you not touching the go pedal at all. nudge it a little and you are eclipsing 120mph. Now I know this thing will get me in trouble in a hurry. Its so damn hard to resist the thrill, I definitely feel a radar detector is absolutely necessary now.
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Up the v2's user torque settings to 92% (where it could and maybe should be) and you two do a back to back drive again.
Then give your impressions a second time.
The low end torque of the PROcede will be a bit more prominent with more boost, and pull even harder above 5500 rpms.

I'd think the Dinan tune does feel like the v1.47 since both have boost levels in the low 13's and come on strong quickly down low in the rpm range.

Thanks for the write up.
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IMHO rarely anywhere you are going to be at 5K rpm plus normally.

I don't know. For all practical purposes, the car is driven on the streets and public roadways, you are rarely going to be in the 5K+ rpm. At a mere 4K rpm the car is literally a missile you must pay attention to or wind up causing an accident. IMO the practical range is below 4K rpm. Those saying you really feel the drop off after 5500 rpm are in the extreme minority. The raucous at 5K rpm makes any higher rpm power change almost imperceptible at all. By the time you hit 4K rpm in any gear, you are already backing off anyway.
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I don't know. For all practical purposes, the car is driven on the streets and public roadways, you are rarely going to be in the 5K+ rpm. At a mere 4K rpm the car is literally a missile you must pay attention to or wind up causing an accident. IMO the practical range is below 4K rpm. Those saying you really feel the drop off after 5500 rpm are in the extreme minority. The raucous at 5K rpm makes any higher rpm power change almost imperceptible at all. By the time you hit 4K rpm in any gear, you are already backing off anyway.
Wow IM glad I don't live where you do if you don't get over 4k rpm much.
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I don't know. For all practical purposes, the car is driven on the streets and public roadways, you are rarely going to be in the 5K+ rpm. At a mere 4K rpm the car is literally a missile you must pay attention to or wind up causing an accident. IMO the practical range is below 4K rpm. Those saying you really feel the drop off after 5500 rpm are in the extreme minority. The raucous at 5K rpm makes any higher rpm power change almost imperceptible at all. By the time you hit 4K rpm in any gear, you are already backing off anyway.
I think the car is fast but not as dramatic as you make it. I am guessing that this is probably the fastest car you have owned. Don't get me wrong, these cars are quick but are not the end all. I have driven a stock C6 Z06 and my car felt like a Honda Civic after driving it.

I was really glad to be able to drive the V2 since all I heard on the forums was how much of a rocket it was. After the drive it did not think it pulled that much harder. It was slightly noticible but nothing major. I think there would be a difference in racing these cars against each other when racing from a roll or from a dead stop. From a roll the V2 would definatley have it but I don't think the Dinan will get its doors blown off as some have mentioned (Also depends on user settings). From a dig it would be interesting.
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I don't know. For all practical purposes, the car is driven on the streets and public roadways, you are rarely going to be in the 5K+ rpm. At a mere 4K rpm the car is literally a missile you must pay attention to or wind up causing an accident. IMO the practical range is below 4K rpm. Those saying you really feel the drop off after 5500 rpm are in the extreme minority. The raucous at 5K rpm makes any higher rpm power change almost imperceptible at all. By the time you hit 4K rpm in any gear, you are already backing off anyway.
what?!

You need a laser jammer A-SAP. Theres a laser interceptor GB over in the ICE forum.
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in my experience unless you bump up to at least 92% on MY car the V2 feels less than the 1.47 did, there comes a point at 94% FOR ME, where it comes alive and is significantly quicker than 1.47 - doesn't have the Whollop of torque that 1.47 did, but then I can't lay down the power it DOES deliver till the quaife goes on anyway.

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Ok Wicked_SVT, the car is really fast. Here is what you missed.

Before I bought this car, I was thinking of and test drove a vette 06 C6. I know the Z06 is ridiculous fast, but my point is we are actually splitting hairs here. Ours cars are very refined so like I said, it doesn't feel as fast as it really is.

Vette C6 was raw and felt like a sledge hammer. Was it that much faster than my Dinan 335? No. I dare say I can go dead heat or very close, yet my car "feel" nowhere close to as fast or as untammed. The Vette feel crazy, almost crude at times. My car is just smoooth. In real and absolute terms, they are almost equal.
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