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      02-05-2016, 07:04 PM   #1
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Kohlefaser Luft-Technik Induction System ? Any reviews

Hi Guys anyone installed and used this new intake system .... Looks very nice.. Assume it works just like the AME system I think.. I currently have the BMS DCI and happy with it.. Just like the look of his one.
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      02-05-2016, 07:25 PM   #2
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Love it....



Worth every penny... I was comparing it with another product today and so far the ECS is performing better



Edit: They both performed the same, nothing different

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      02-05-2016, 11:48 PM   #3
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What about these vs the afe system ???
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      02-06-2016, 12:38 AM   #4
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I got DCI version of this intake. DCI version doesn't come with Cold air box. Returned and happy with BMS.
Tried almost all of intake systems, my brief review is; none of worth any single penny.
It is funny but cheap DCI intakes work better IMO.
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      02-06-2016, 01:42 AM   #5
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What about these vs the afe system ???
I spoke too soon above. They both yielded the same power results, same speed, same laps time.

The carbon fiber does have the advantage though as it does a better job against heat soak and its lighter.

The obvious difference is the ECS CF was more consistent with power and there was a 2°f change in temps when I went back out

Both runs were done tonight. Temp were 63°f when testing was done on the aFe GT Momentum and 65°f when testing was done on the ECS CF intake. I tried to make the weight of the car consistent with refill on the gas on the second run.

After testing the aFe at a half gallon of gas I consumed some gas when getting the DME to adapt. So when I installed the ECS CF intake I filled up with gas to make it a half a tank again, I went a little off, but after doing couple of WOT runs to get the DME to adapt I was back to a half tank of gas again as I was with the aFe.

Torque averaged out the same, and there was only a 4 whp difference due to 2°f increase of weather and humidity, so the difference is not relevant due to the factors.

First 3 from the top is the aFe results, last 3 are the ECS results






For those with E89 N54 cars, the aFe GT Momentum vacuum sealed intake does not "clear the hood". I got mine to fit after removing the black padding under the hood and making minor modification to a metal lobe of the frame.
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I spoke too soon above. They both yielded the same power results, same speed, same laps time.

The carbon fiber does have the advantage though as it does a better job against heat soak and its lighter.

The obvious difference is the ECS CF was more consistent with power and there was a 2°f change in temps when I went back out

Both runs were done tonight. Temp were 63°f when testing was done on the aFe GT Momentum and 65°f when testing was done on the ECS CF intake. I tried to make the weight of the car consistent with refill on the gas on the second run.

After testing the aFe at a half gallon of gas I consumed some gas when getting the DME to adapt. So when I installed the ECS CF intake I filled up with gas to make it a half a tank again, I went a little off, but after doing couple of WOT runs to get the DME to adapt I was back to a half tank of gas again as I was with the aFe.

Torque averaged out the same, and there was only a 4 whp difference due to 2°f increase of weather and humidity, so the difference is not relevant due to the factors.

First 3 from the top is the aFe results, last 3 are the ECS results






For those with E89 N54 cars, the aFe GT Momentum vacuum sealed intake does not "clear the hood". I got mine to fit after removing the black padding under the hood and making minor modification to a metal lobe of the frame.
Great feedback . I was going to say what car you have because that intake scoop is different and I like it lol and I couldn't see the power steering reservoir
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I chose to skip all of these and get inlets. More power less money = winning.
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BuraQ Thanks for measuring, but it all looks the same, since virtualdyno is not able to differentiate on that micro level. The stock airbox would probably yield the same results, as it is not bottleneck (as inlets).
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BuraQ Thanks for measuring, but it all looks the same, since virtualdyno is not able to differentiate on that micro level. The stock airbox would probably yield the same results, as it is not bottleneck (as inlets).
The stock air box will not yield the same gains

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=26
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Forgot to point out in the graph the ECS CF intake held 400+ whp beyond 6000k RPM vs the GT Momentum started taking a nosedive at 5600k RPM
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      02-09-2016, 07:13 PM   #11
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Have you by any chance done any testing on the dinan intake BuraQ?
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I have this as well...recommended by a Tuner I know....The sound is subtle and I noticed a nice feel. Had the tune made for this. It works very well. Fitiment is tight but it is well made and a quality item.
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Have you by any chance done any testing on the dinan intake BuraQ?
I had Dinan, technically I had a stage 3 Dinan 07 335i 6AT long long ago. Back then 18 PSI on stock was at and very rare or non existent

It does have restrictions, if you take the cover off look how small the hole is and think about.
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      02-10-2016, 01:59 PM   #14
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I chose to skip all of these and get inlets. More power less money = winning.
I had inlets before a dci set up, the dyno's and logs are posted on the dyno thread. I can say hands down that after going dci the car pulls much better, especially on the highway.
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The stock air box will not yield the same gains

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=26
Thats an 4 year old graph... different circumstances. Still think that another airbox ist just for the look.
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I had inlets before a dci set up, the dyno's and logs are posted on the dyno thread. I can say hands down that after going dci the car pulls much better, especially on the highway.
You're shitting me?

To confirm:
-you installed inlets
-removed inlets
-installed stock inlets
-installed DCI's
-you prefer DCI's

Did I get that right?
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You're shitting me?

To confirm:
-you installed inlets
-removed inlets
-installed stock inlets
-installed DCI's
-you prefer DCI's

Did I get that right?


My first dyno was FBO w/o inlets. For intake all I had was Cobb panel filter. I went this route because I've read on various threads that oem flows very well.
On this set up we did 398whp, 405wtq on 93 winter blend.

My second dyno is FBO w/ inlets. On this set up we did 405whp, 443wtq on 93 winter blend.

I was a bit disappointed that we only hit 405whp with inlets. It was clear that the Cobb filter was the bottle neck. Panel filter can't support much more than 400~410whp it seems.

Here is the link with all the info…
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...416797&page=23

Since then I added Afe Stage 2 Pro 5r. http://afepower.com/shop/details_new...artno=54-11472

The car pulls much stronger now and is very noticeable on the highway. I don't need to down shift to pass. Hitting 120 is 6th is not a problem.

Once it warms up in NYC I'll hit the dyno again. I'm debating if I should go custom outlets as well before the next dyno session.
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My first dyno was FBO w/o inlets. For intake all I had was Cobb panel filter. I went this route because I've read on various threads that oem flows very well.
On this set up we did 398whp, 405wtq on 93 winter blend.

My second dyno is FBO w/ inlets. On this set up we did 405whp, 443wtq on 93 winter blend.

I was a bit disappointed that we only hit 405whp with inlets. It was clear that the Cobb filter was the bottle neck. Panel filter can't support much more than 400~410whp it seems.

Here is the link with all the info…
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...416797&page=23

Since then I added Afe Stage 2 Pro 5r. http://afepower.com/shop/details_new...artno=54-11472

The car pulls much stronger now and is very noticeable on the highway. I don't need to down shift to pass. Hitting 120 is 6th is not a problem.

Once it warms up in NYC I'll hit the dyno again. I'm debating if I should go custom outlets as well before the next dyno session.
There's a 40ft-lb of torque increase with the inlets there from 3k to almost 5k on half a pound of boost less.. That means significantly more usable torque while working the turbos less than without inlets. And I assume that's without a tune to support the increased airflow.

I fail to understand how that's not a HUGE improvement across the board.
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You're clearly lying. His ass is very well calibrated, and it feels faster on the highway now.

Your dyno numbers and science stuff can go suck it.
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You're clearly lying. His ass is very well calibrated, and it feels faster on the highway now.

Your dyno numbers and science stuff can go suck it.
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There's a 40ft-lb of torque increase with the inlets there from 3k to almost 5k on half a pound of boost less.. That means significantly more usable torque while working the turbos less than without inlets. And I assume that's without a tune to support the increased airflow.

I fail to understand how that's not a HUGE improvement across the board.
lol, yes its a good improvement, and a step in the right direction. Inlets are a great mod!

My point was there is still hp on the table with stock/ Cobb filter. More filter surface area is needed to take advantage of the other upgrades.

EDIT: I reread J. Dub's comment. For some reason he misunderstood my response to AaronZ34. I did NOT remove my inlets. I posted dynos and logs showing STOCK intake system w/ Cobb filter before and after inlets. AaronZ34 mentioned earlier to skip an intake and just go with inlets only. I disagree with that...

So yes to answer your statement. I had improved Tq, but minimal HP gains. With the new intake I'm sure there is even more improvement. Hope all is clear now. If not God help us all….
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