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      03-16-2008, 12:03 PM   #1
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China Vs. Tibet

Any thoughts? what's the background of the conflict, why now?

anyone else think the west/US have fingers in this to destabilize China before the Olympics?
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I don't think we're involved. If we wanted to, we could arm the Tibetans against the Chinese like we did Al Quaeda against the Soviets, but I don't think we will. We all know how that turned out!
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I don't think we're involved. If we wanted to, we could arm the Tibetans against the Chinese like we did Al Quaeda against the Soviets, but I don't think we will. We all know how that turned out!
yah with all the debt we have i dont think we can arm anyone against anything. but the US has been harrassing Russia by promoting independence to Kosovo for instance, same in Georgia, and recently playing with China by supporting separatist groups like in indochina... idk... what i want to know is why NOW? regardless who's behind it, or the motive of anyone.. just why now?
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I don't think we're involved. If we wanted to, we could arm the Tibetans against the Chinese like we did Al Quaeda against the Soviets, but I don't think we will. We all know how that turned out!
Are you sure about it.
We just gave Dalai Lama the medal against Chinese wishes...
I think we're very much involved as we are in the Taiwan situation...
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There's a difference between a medal and weaponry.
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like the USA doesn't have enough problems
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like the USA doesn't have enough problems


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like the USA doesn't have enough problems
what problems? the only problem that we have is people are getting fat, that's all
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what problems? the only problem that we have is people are getting fat, that's all

The war in middle east
The sub-prime issue
The weak sauce dollar

and yes...the fat lazy problem
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The war in middle east
The sub-prime issue
The weak sauce dollar

and yes...the fat lazy problem
there's war? what war?

what's "middle east"?

^^ that is another problem apparently
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I'm pretty sure there is not much organizaton of a Tibetan 'underground', to support.

Boycott would do nothing, but it should be done.

Many protesters killed recently (accounts of #'s vary).

"China has said 13 people were killed by Tibetan "mobs" but Tibetan exiles say nearly 100 people are confirmed dead, including 19 they said were shot by Chinese police in the area of Machu in Gansu province.

"There was a protest in Machu this morning, and police fired on them," said Thubten Samphel, a spokesman for the Dalai Lama's administration.

In all, he said, "80 people have been confirmed killed in Lhasa (the Tibetan capital) in the past several days and 19 killed today.""
-AFP News

Extremely graphic pictures of dead Tibetan protestors, most dead by gunshot wounds, posted to YouTube 3/16/08:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

Edit - video removed from YouTube. I guess Google has an agreement with China.

Edit #2 - extremely graphic images are not allowed on YouTube.

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Tibetan protestors causing damage to Chinese-owned banks and shops.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=5
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U.S. Television coverage is censored (to some extent) - all major US stations have offices in China, and they need to keep them.

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China has done nothing wrong. Why is the world picking on China? It looks like the only countries that are picking on China are the ones with human right issues themselves. Why not boycott the Salt Lake City Olympics because of the situation in the Middle East with the US? Weapons of Mass Destruction were never found and thousands of innocent individuals were killed. When you get crazy rioters destroying business, you expect the police to do nothing?!?
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those ppl were Literarily destroying the city
every country has its own laws

example: a drug dealer convicted gets the death sentence in china

WTF is this world coming to...freakin Monks rioting...WTF
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those ppl were Literarily destroying the city
every country has its own laws

example: a drug dealer convicted gets the death sentence in china
the sucky part is he has to pay for the bullet too!
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China has done nothing wrong. Why is the world picking on China? It looks like the only countries that are picking on China are the ones with human right issues themselves. Why not boycott the Salt Lake City Olympics because of the situation in the Middle East with the US? Weapons of Mass Destruction were never found and thousands of innocent individuals were killed. When you get crazy rioters destroying business, you expect the police to do nothing?!?

China has done nothing wrong?!!

Of course other countries should have boycotted the SLC Olympics, slapping the face of the U.S..

I believe that SLC was chosen before the invasion of Iraq, though. What was the International Olympic Committee thinking, choosing China, a leader in human rights abuses?

I'm not saying the Tibetan rioters got out of hand; they did. Innocent Han Chinese were beaten.
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Im sure half of the people here did not see the riots and devastation that was caused by protesters and rioters. The shooting of the protesters i believe is justified. If martial law was not put into place the whole city would have been destroyed. Mobs and rioters were burning down shops, schools, fire engines, and random cars.

Several innocent people have been killed or severely beaten by the mobs, if no action was taken then it would have spread and many more innocent would have been hurt or killed.

If your going to be out destroying/looting/beating up/killing then you deserve to get your ass shot.

Its not even about protesting the government, its about the anatomy of a riot. People feel embowered and encouraged as more and more destruction and mayhem spreads.

What would you have to say if a family member of yours was hurt or killed by someone who was joining in on the frenzy?

Saying the Olympics should be protested is just absurd.

ps. China may have problems with human rights, but no nation is clean. The U.S. has its own share of problems in terms of human rights:

Japanese Americans sent to concentration camps when Japanese declared war on U.S. and Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments, and lets not forget what happened to the Native Americans. So before you go and wave your finger at another country for taking care of their own business, think about what your own has done first.
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The Chinese government has shown a great deal of restraint toward these entire proceedings. No doubt, this is more for the benefit of the international community, but according to the the only western journalist actually allowed to cover Lhasa (from the Economist) a conscious effort was made by the authorities to restore peace, not crack down.

If Native Americans came to an American city, setting stores on fire, killing American citizens and demanding the city back, how would the American government react? How would the Israeli government react if Palestinians did the same thing?

The concept of mobs of Tibetans attacking innocent Han and Hui minorities in Tibet is shocking to most Westerners, who have a stereotype of Tibetans to being tranquil people who would never resort to violence.

How do you think the L.A. Riots, Katrina and the Iraq War affect the United States' image in the world?
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