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      03-22-2008, 08:32 PM   #23
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Good luck, Willstophe, dyno the car after the ECU has adapted to see how much power you gained
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      03-22-2008, 09:48 PM   #24
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250... 335 is what 275? thats huge i doubt it tho but good luck. do they have software for 328's??? CMON
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      03-23-2008, 12:29 AM   #25
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well the 330 has 255 hp base...and the kelleners sport 330 has 306 hp and 341 NM of torque....so it's not that hard to believe to be honest...look it up...and the only difference between my car and the 330 is software and 3-stage...that's why I'm getting the 3-stage..after that I do the software for the 3-stage and this is what you get..here's the link:

http://www.chiptuning.com/conf_prod_...0PS&no_cache=1

...and that's the stock 330 with software upgraded only....so add everything else in the equation and that's what it should be...do the math...it's not hard to see...and I'll dyno the car....believe me I'm going to.
After I'm done:

3-stage intake manifold
RD-Sport Cat-back Exhaust
Dinan Ram-air Intake
Dinan High-Flow Throttle Body
DTE Software update (330i tune)

.....on that site it says before tune: 258 PS (which is 255 HP) and after is 286 PS (Which is 282 HP).

So theoretically speaking, if I didn't have exhaust, throttle body, and intake...282 HP at the crank would be the final outcome after the 3-stage and the software update....that's quite enough proof right there...but the thing is I have throttle body exhaust and intake....so when this is over I should have more than 282 at the crank...I just don't know what it's gonna be....

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      03-23-2008, 12:31 AM   #26
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Also, here's the site for the Kelleners Sport 330i:

http://www.zercustoms.com/news/2007-...eries-E90.html

It's possible to break 300 hp afterall with a Naturally aspirated? Yes.
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well the 330 has 255 hp base...and the kelleners sport 330 has 306 hp and 341 NM of torque....so it's not that hard to believe to be honest...look it up...and the only difference between my car and the 330 is software and 3-stage...that's why I'm getting the 3-stage..after that I do the software for the 3-stage and this is what you get..here's the link:

http://www.chiptuning.com/conf_prod_...0PS&no_cache=1
how much is that chip cost?
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well the 330 has 255 hp base...and the kelleners sport 330 has 306 hp and 341 NM of torque....so it's not that hard to believe to be honest...look it up...and the only difference between my car and the 330 is software and 3-stage...
yea it has 306hp because its bored out engine to 3.2L from hamman, diffrent camshafts and lot of other expensive stuff. so the manifold and the chip might not be enough
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well the stock 330 255 crank hp shows to be about 5 whp more than the e92 328's 230 crank whp.

stock 330 shows about 208 on the dyno so before the tune you should have about 216 max with intake throttle body and exhaust.


My guess would be after you are done 230@ wheel


btw 330 engine doesnt have the tq the 328 does in relation to hp
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The chip was 800 but normally it costs more...I'm not sure how much more...it's just Shoreline Motoring get's a discount because they're an official DTE Software dealer....and I know the owner of Shoreline...so I got a pretty killer deal on it.
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.....on that site it says before tune: 258 PS (which is 255 HP) and after is 286 PS (Which is 282 HP).
Where do you get 255hp out of 258 PS? and 282hp out of 286 PS? Are you talking about at the crank? 258 PS is 190hp at the wheels and 286 PS is 210 at the wheels. Just curious
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PS = 0.986 HP = 0.73 kW

PS =/= kW

11K Euro for that engine bore, ouch. Wish that could be a more affordable or simply reasonable option.
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btw they show a pic of the N52 in a 325 coupe...there never was a E92 325i coupe....and if that's the e46...then that's not the N52 engine
wrong. there is a e92 325i coupe. not sold in the states.
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      03-23-2008, 03:16 PM   #34
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wrong. there is a e92 325i coupe. not sold in the states.
Correct!! Do have a look at my sig...
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well the stock 330 255 crank hp shows to be about 5 whp more than the e92 328's 230 crank whp.

stock 330 shows about 208 on the dyno so before the tune you should have about 216 max with intake throttle body and exhaust.


My guess would be after you are done 230@ wheel


btw 330 engine doesnt have the tq the 328 does in relation to hp
+1 you would expect around 230@ the wheels. 250@ the wheels would be 10% loss from your 280hp @ the crank est and we know for sure that drivetrain loss by %age is more for n52 than for n54.

and kelleners or whatever you said did more than just tune, intake, and exhaust... they modified the engine itself.
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yup yup! it will haul with 230 whp tho
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From what I understand also, the Kelleners, Hamann and Birds 3.2L stroker kits don't modify the bore. It is in shorter pistons and longer rods, maybe the crankshaft is modded too. I would imagine they don't want to have to reapply the specialty coating that is on the walls of the cylinders. And yeah, the price (in crappy US $$ anyway) is ridiculous.
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Nice stats, but how about the 325i e92, which hp could be realised?
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WRONG....258 PS - HP...check it....

254.47 HP....oops????

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.....on that site it says before tune: 258 PS (which is 255 HP) and after is 286 PS (Which is 282 HP).

Where do you get 255hp out of 258 PS? and 282hp out of 286 PS? Are you talking about at the crank? 258 PS is 190hp at the wheels and 286 PS is 210 at the wheels. Just curious
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where do you get you will have 280ish whp at the end?
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      03-24-2008, 08:58 PM   #41
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dude I said 250ish wheel...I said 280ish crank
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doesnt matter........bottom line is that if u can get above 25-30hp for this mod, a lot of people (including myself) will set you up with a very hot hooker...
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dude I said 250ish wheel...I said 280ish crank
250ish at the wheel is a overestimate by far. you havent done any research on what a 6mt 330i puts down at the wheels. nor have you've seen the %age of loss that the 325 and 330 both have. it is not 10%.

i hate to flame you all the time but every time you make a thread, its about performance and there is something always wrong with what you state or estimate.
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