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      04-13-2008, 02:24 AM   #1
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Hey gang - I just bought an '07 335i coupe in northern california. I love the car and can't wait to start adding aftermarket options. Dinan has a $2k upgrade to get me to 380 hp but it seems expensive. Is there some solid after market companies out there where I can own the software and the upload tools outright so I can go back to the stock setting if I need to?
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Dinan also wont get you 380hp sorry
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Hey gang - I just bought an '07 335i coupe in northern california. I love the car and can't wait to start adding aftermarket options. Dinan has a $2k upgrade to get me to 380 hp but it seems expensive. Is there some solid after market companies out there where I can own the software and the upload tools outright so I can go back to the stock setting if I need to?


Yeah either Vishnu, BMS or HELIX offer great piggybacks that allow you to tune to your desired power and then return to stock:

www.vishnutuning.com is the most popular and most tested and has been leading the power race and tuning direction. They are about to introduce PROcede 2.1 which is an awesome tune and their current 2.02 is excellent for 390+hp 400+tq as well with no other mods. On an otherwise stock car, this is definitely the leading tune and allows you to do everything via laptop for map uploads once you have installed their piggyback (takes 15 minutes when you get used to it but plan for 30-40 minutes on your first time through).
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Maybe. The fact is that the Dinan crank numbers that exist right now are 384hp and 421tq. That is what they came up with their car and their testing. Members with the Dinan flash who have had a dyno done show that the flash really delivers impressive numbers. Reviews like Winston Wolf's are particulary useful as they contain a before and after dyno demonstrating the power gains at the wheels. I believe there are other pre/post Dinan dyno reviews as well. Those are the numbers he would really want to concentrate on anyway. But, thank you for pointing out to him the fact that those were crank numbers that he was given.

To the original poster of this thread: If you around this forum, you will find a plethora of information including reviews, dynos, and some passionate debates about the various tunes. There is probably more on here than you would ever want to know. If you spend some time reading past and present threads about the various tunes, you will start to come up with some more specific questions, and you will gain a sense of what you route you actually want to go with in choosing a tune. Most importantly, welcome to the forum!
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Maybe. The fact is that the Dinan crank numbers that exist right now are 384hp and 421tq. That is what they came up with their car and their testing. Members with the Dinan flash who have had a dyno done show that the flash really delivers impressive numbers. Reviews like Winston Wolf's are particulary useful as they contain a before and after dyno demonstrating the power gains at the wheels. I believe there are other pre/post Dinan dyno reviews as well. Those are the numbers he would really want to concentrate on anyway. But, thank you for pointing out to him the fact that those were crank numbers that he was given.
If there is a 12.7% Drivetrain loss on a dynojet type dyno, and stock cars make 270-280hp at the wheels, and otherwise stock v2.02 cars put down 340-345hp @ the wheels and otherwise stock Dinan cars dyno 315-320hp @ the wheels, then would the following not be true?:

Procede 2.02: 389.5 - 395 hp est. @ the crank

Dinan: 361 - 366 hp est. @ the crank

Stock: 310 - 321 hp est @ the crank

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Maybe. The fact is that the Dinan crank numbers that exist right now are 384hp and 421tq. That is what they came up with their car and their testing. Members with the Dinan flash who have had a dyno done show that the flash really delivers impressive numbers. Reviews like Winston Wolf's are particulary useful as they contain a before and after dyno demonstrating the power gains at the wheels. I believe there are other pre/post Dinan dyno reviews as well. Those are the numbers he would really want to concentrate on anyway. But, thank you for pointing out to him the fact that those were crank numbers that he was given.

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Such a thourough responce, I guess thats why you're a mod.
Anyways with just the flash, no exhaust, in CA (where the OP lives and 91 octane is the highest readily available) I believe Dinan is getting like 360 crank. But there is more to the Dinan flash then just HP, the fact that the car runs smoother, with better throttle responce, and at cooler temps is something to consider too.
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Such a thourough responce, I guess thats why you're a mod.
Anyways with just the flash, no exhaust, in CA (where the OP lives and 91 octane is the highest readily available) I believe Dinan is getting like 360 crank. But there is more to the Dinan flash then just HP, the fact that the car runs smoother, with better throttle responce, and at cooler temps is something to consider too.
Good call bro... still not worth 2,000 for 40-50hp in my book when you can get that for $400 at http://www.burgertuning.com though...
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If there is a 12.7% Drivetrain loss on a dynojet type dyno, and stock cars make 270-280hp at the wheels, and otherwise stock v2.02 cars put down 340-345hp @ the wheels and otherwise stock Dinan cars dyno 315-320hp @ the wheels, then would the following not be true?:

Procede 2.02: 389.5 - 395 hp est. @ the crank

Dinan: 361 - 366 hp est. @ the crank

Stock: 310 - 321 hp est @ the crank

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I have personally seen 5 PROcede V2 cars dyno and none of them got over 330whp.
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First of all, use the search function. You will find way more information by searching than posting a whole bunch of new threads.
Take a look at the stickies as well. There's a dyno tested tune thread and another one for different mods.
I didn't do Dinan because that wasn't out yet and also I don't want to pay 2k just to test it out.
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Anyways with just the flash, no exhaust, in CA (where the OP lives and 91 octane is the highest readily available) I believe Dinan is getting like 360 crank. But there is more to the Dinan flash then just HP, the fact that the car runs smoother, with better throttle responce, and at cooler temps is something to consider too.
Well said Mattscott. I am not disagreeing with you that the 380 crank numbers may be in fact a little on the high side, it just seems that there are so many variables with different engines, etc. that I don't think Dinan was trying to be intentionally misleading with their posted numbers, and 380 at the crank might not be that far off. I don't think you were trying to suggest that they were trying to be misleading either. I was just trying to point out to the OP the fact that the wheel power numbers for the tunes are probably going to be the most helpful, straight forward, and less confusing numbers for him to evaluate at this point.
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If there is a 12.7% Drivetrain loss on a dynojet type dyno, and stock cars make 270-280hp at the wheels, and otherwise stock v2.02 cars put down 340-345hp @ the wheels and otherwise stock Dinan cars dyno 315-320hp @ the wheels, then would the following not be true?
I don't think we really need to dispute the crank numbers. There is enough good info about the power the tunes provide on here. BTW, I've seen several Dinan dynos that show the car putting down over 330hp at the wheels, in addition to the 320hp that you mention.

They're both great tunes. There is enough information around, like Mr.5 said, for the OP to make his decisision.
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I have personally seen 5 PROcede V2 cars dyno and none of them got over 330whp.
Mine dyno'd 339rwhp with just V2.02 and that was after 4 straight hours of driving.
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I don't think we really need to dispute the crank numbers. There is enough good info about the power the tunes provide on here. BTW, I've seen several Dinan dynos that show the car putting down over 330hp at the wheels, in addition to the 320hp that you mention.

They're both great tunes. There is enough information around, like Mr.5 said, for the OP to make his decisision.
I said this before, if it wasn't for the oil cooler price and if Dinan had released the flash a year earlier, I would have gone Dinan I think. $1600 for an IC isn't so bad. $2000 for an oil cooler is, but thats been discussed over and over again.
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Mine dyno'd 339rwhp with just V2.02 and that was after 4 straight hours of driving.
+1, 340hp with no intake I need to get off my lazy butt, add intake, and get you guys before intake and after intake dyno's rather than just piping off rhetoric lol.
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I have personally seen 5 PROcede V2 cars dyno and none of them got over 330whp.
I have heard bad things about the 92 octane in WA... everyone seems to dyno low in your state =\ Don't get me wrong, I love it there, my little bro just graduated WWU in Bellingham, we celebrated with tequila and wakeboarding yesterday =) Water was a little cold though =\
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